Looks like a nice kit overall. The most common layout of Rogers drums was probably a 20 bass with 12 and 16 toms. That combination had wide application in rock and rhythm and blues bands and it seems the intent was to provide distinct tonal variety while maintaining a relatively small three-piece set-up. The larger sizes in that day were probably more common to big band music, though as the 60's moved on and into the 70's, the larger kit became more prominent in rock, with the less frequently seen 20,12,14 or even 18,12,14 appearing here and there. I've been using the larger kit on outdoor gigs this year. With respect to the bass drum in particular, the effort needed to get a good low end thump was lower with that size drum than during the prior year when I used the 20,12,14 configuration.

I've more often that not tried to use the 20,12,14 configuration because it reduces the hauling effort, and when at home, it fits more easily in my car. Overall, I don't expect you to be disappointed with that 22,13,16 layout in any way.

Good luck closing the purchase, and give us an update once you have put it to use.

By the way, that COB Dynasonic was used by Bobby Colomby in a lot of live play that you can see on YouTube, even after he began to use Premier drums. He eventually swapped to a Premier steel snare, and that may have been the result of commercial pressure since he was endorsing the Premier products. In any event, when adjusted properly, it is a great sounding snare and a workhorse of the first order.

I just picked up a 68 Holiday kit and noticed the R is black out, but I think it's a reissue head from a newer company. The odd thing I noted was the word "Holiday was marked over with a sharpie and Holiday was written in by the factory initials in the left hand corner of the internal sticker. Any thoughts on this? It's from Dayton and I can't imagine why they would do this at the factory. The original owner said it's always been like this and never recovered. This guy is a stickler and this kit is clean.

The original owner should have disclosed this is half of a Louie Bellson Twin Bass set.

http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/rogers_sets/1967_rogers_drumsets4.jpg

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True this however it dose not mean the wrap in not original. On occasion I have removed the badges to properly polish the whole shell.

The seller of the kit mentioned at the top of this thread (Cleveland BDP) also is offering the twelve show here.

Notice the white spots on the interior gray paint. Does this look familiar to anyone? I know the speckled interior came later. This isn't speckled, but it's not really flat, either. It only seems to show on one side: As if someone splashed one side of the interior of the drum!

(Note: He is digging out the missing lugs and rods from storage)

Thoughts?

Forgot to mention back in December that the 13 is for a twin-tom Londoner (or a left-handed set). Might have slipped out of the factory when the final boxing caused a mistake on what drum was required for a 22,13,16 set-up. Could also be the original 13 was rashed or whatever and someone found a replacement. Normally the badge is out front with the tone control in that era.

The 12 looks to have been tampered with a bit. I can tell you the fasterner setup is Fullerton - equal size washers on both ends of the lug and self-taping hex-head screws.

That wouldn't be the first speckled Cleveland made in Fullerton transition. The tag........ they just built drums. There are a few like this. Not many. But enough it has been seen before.

Thanks. So the 12 may be an unaltered Fullerton drum, but with a leftover Cleveland badge? The problem with this deal is I'm not there physically and can't hold the drums and really get a clear picture. The seller comes across as friendly, straightforward, helpful. I hate making a deal when I'm not physically there to hold and try the drums myself. But for this one, I'm gonna roll the dice.