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How many Vintage drums exist? Last viewed: 6 hours ago

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We live in an era of idolatry. The association of a drum brand with a certain drummer's use of them is what most people are intersted in. Hardly anyone would know about Ludwig drums, had Ringo not played them. The company , probably would have gone bankrupt----they almost did ,anyway. It isn't the drums themselves , that is of interest, that comes along later----it is the association with the drummer and unfortunately, in the broader scheme of things, drums are not really a solo instrument and drummers, with the exception of very few, are pretty low on the musician food chain. As, musical instruments go, if you are planning on making serious money from your collection of drums, you've chosen the wrong instrument. Yes, there are drum solos but there are very few venues, where the selling point of the venue is , a drum or percussion soloist. Evelyn Glennie is the first percussion soloist, in the western world. There have been 100's of violin soloists and hundreds of soloists on other instruments. The Dolphin Stradivarius, that Jascha Heifetz ,played on is in good measure ,worth millions of dollars because Jascha Heifetz , played on it, not because it is a better violin than others. In blind listenings, Strads, routinely are graded lower by players and listeners alike, than instruments worth a fraction of their value.

As long as idolatry, is the measure of our values, drums aren't going to really jump in value----oh, they will increase here and there, and I'm sure Ringo's snare drum will eventually sell for a bucket load and any that even resemble it but a lot of that is sheer marketing. However, you can make more money on one astute violin purchase than a whole basement full of drums.

Posted on 12 years ago
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As Mikey said..

If you are a "young-un" on here,it's hard to believe 15 -20 years ago you could find Slingerland kits and Ludwigs all day long in the newspaper for $200-300 with all stands and Zildjians..but..it is true!

I used to see sometimes 3 in a row like that back than,in just 1 day in the paper!

Then,2-3 days later,maybe 3 more new ads!

Anyway..no clue how many drums out there..but if you do the math..

Slingerland/Ludwig/Gretsch/Rogers made how many sets each in,say 1960-1970?.Quite a few!

Also,how many snares alone?

Good thread!

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 12 years ago
#12
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ringo kits were almost free

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 12 years ago
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how is that???

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 12 years ago
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Jeff - Drums and drummers have been around since the first caveman celebrated a successful hunt by banging a stick against a log. Drumming is Primal and ancient. I don't think that drums and drumming are in any danger of being replaced or disappearing any time soon...

BTW, just some 'statistics'... the economy in this country has improved consistently month by month for the last four years. All projected trends suggest that it will continue to do so. That's -fact.- It's ok to think that some of our best days are still in front of us. I believe in US! USA! USA! USA!

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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Ok I realise there's always been collectors out there, and gear with a reputation will have always held some value against gear without. But regarding the nature of the vintage drum(and possibly Guitar and Synths) market evolving from the mere secondhand stage to what it is today, would anyone agree that its been partly due to the internet? The access to information through price comparison on Ebay and such to special interest sites such as this have fanned the flames and inflated the market prices over the last decade. Basically what I'm saying is it seems the rise in the internet seems to match the rise in the market.

Anyway if we take just the 5 main U.S. from around the start of the RadioKing era to 1978(I know I'm pushing it) I bet there is in excess of 100,000 kits out there in the world.

40's Slingerland Radio King WMP
60's Ludwig Downbeat Silver Spark
70's Ludwig Super Classic White Marine
60's Gretsch RB Champaigne Spark
70's Rogers Big R Black
90's Sonor Hilite (Red maple)
00's DW Collectors Broken Glass
00's DW Jazz Series Tangerine Glass
10's DW Collectors (Acrylic) Matt Black Wrap
10's PDP Concept Wood Hoop kit (Maple)
Proud ambassador of the British Drum Company
Posted on 12 years ago
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From geckobeats

Ok I realise there's always been collectors out there, and gear with a reputation will have always held some value against gear without. But regarding the nature of the vintage drum(and possibly Guitar and Synths) market evolving from the mere secondhand stage to what it is today, would anyone agree that its been partly due to the internet? The access to information through price comparison on Ebay and such to special interest sites such as this have fanned the flames and inflated the market prices over the last decade. Basically what I'm saying is it seems the rise in the internet seems to match the rise in the market. Anyway if we take just the 5 main U.S. from around the start of the RadioKing era to 1978(I know I'm pushing it) I bet there is in excess of 100,000 kits out there in the world.

There is certainly a correlation between the information on the Internet and the normalization of pricing. It's tough to go into a pawn shop now and find incredible deals on anything. It happens occasionally but I generally see prices comparable to everything on auction sites.

Guitars have been collectible and more expensive for quite some time. I certainly recall guitar players scouring the local pawn shops while on the road looking for that perfect guitar, or more likely, looking for a guitar to flip long before the Internet came into widespread use.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 12 years ago
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Make sure when you are doing the math you figure the 657 sling kits I have stored in an undisclosed location, that I bought from the Niles plant before they closed..............Clapping Happy2

Lots of Slingerland drums
70's Pearl Fiberglass Ivory
Posted on 12 years ago
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This is one of the more depressing threads I've read in awhile. All this talk about death and when we're gone what'll happen to our vintage kits, etc....

Don't bury us yet! No I really think there will always be a great market for old Gretsch and Ludwig kits, at least. Proof is the obscene profit Mikey made on those Jazzettes :)

The greatest gift you can give your family and the world is a healthy you. - Joyce Meyer
Posted on 12 years ago
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From slingerland

Make sure when you are doing the math you figure the 657 sling kits I have stored in an undisclosed location, that I bought from the Niles plant before they closed..............Clapping Happy2

Wait.........hang on..........steady there...........easy now Tiger! You have what???????????? electricitelectricitelectricit

40's Slingerland Radio King WMP
60's Ludwig Downbeat Silver Spark
70's Ludwig Super Classic White Marine
60's Gretsch RB Champaigne Spark
70's Rogers Big R Black
90's Sonor Hilite (Red maple)
00's DW Collectors Broken Glass
00's DW Jazz Series Tangerine Glass
10's DW Collectors (Acrylic) Matt Black Wrap
10's PDP Concept Wood Hoop kit (Maple)
Proud ambassador of the British Drum Company
Posted on 12 years ago
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