Not certain what brand the lugs are on the bass drum but in order for them to be Club Date, they have to be Ludwig and look like this...with the "bow tie" lugs centered on the drum...tension adjusted from both sides. Same goes for the tom and floor tom. Hope this helps...

Yes they are way different. They say WFL on them. And the bass drum has 4 legs.

Jordan - Single-tension drums were more a thing of the 20's and 30's than later on, but it was a fairly common way for drum companies to equip their economy, or low-end, kits. Ludwig also used a four leg configuration on 'some' of the bass drums they produced. See photo of my 59' (Transition badge) Ludwig bass drum. Four bayonette spurs!

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See if the hole spacing on the lugs matches Ludwig bowties. That's what would have been on there if they were Clubbies.

John

Interesting. How do you tell they're Ludwig shells and not Slingerland or MIJ painted over?

Best,

Aaron

No way to know for sure by just photos, but... my best guess and strongest suspicion is that they are Ludwig shells. I've looked at so many Luddy shells over the years they start to look familiar, you recognize them when you see them. I could be dead wrong... but Luddy shells is my 'best guess' based on the photos. Nice looking shells no matter what they are!

John

Yes I see. Thanks for the pic. The leg on this BD are a lot different. Ill try pop in an snag a better pic of the kick legs. They are more toward the center of the bass drum.