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Identifying a vintage Slingerland Radio King drum set Last viewed: 1 hour ago

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From mike17

Nice kit. You are right about the details though.The tom and floor tom have pre '48 lugs, no "shelf" at the top. However, the double flanged hoops which are on your drums didn't come into use on the toms until '48. My '47 RKs have single flange hoops and clips on the toms, no badges or vents either.Add in a bass drum with an earlier badge, this may get interesting.

Thanks Mike. I agree this kit is a puzzle. That's what makes this hobby fun. :)

Barry (mono-plane)
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Posted on 12 years ago
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From mike17

Nice kit. You are right about the details though.The tom and floor tom have pre '48 lugs, no "shelf" at the top. However, the double flanged hoops which are on your drums didn't come into use on the toms until '48. My '47 RKs have single flange hoops and clips on the toms, no badges or vents either.Add in a bass drum with an earlier badge, this may get interesting.

Thanks Mike. I agree this kit is a puzzle. That's what makes this hobby fun. :)

Barry (mono-plane)
UPBEAT - Drums For Kids (on Facebook)
71 Black Cortex 22, 14 *wtd 16" ft*
61 Ludwig Super Downbeat 20, 16, 13 w/matching Jazz Festival (Black & Gold Duco)
63 Ludwig Clubdate Blue Sparkle 20, 14, 12 (WTB a nice 12" Blue Sparkle tom)
79 Black Beauty SS 6.5 x 14 (one previous owner players or studio drum) 4 sale
80 Black Beauty Supra 6.5 x 14 (4 sale)
Posted on 12 years ago
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I have pulled off the batter heads on the toms. They have large 2" wide maple re-rings, double gray mufflers with chrome knobs that have rounded ends and wide rounded bearing edges which are in great shape for 60 plus year old drums.

The bass drum has a shaper bearing edge, small maple re-ring that are not rounded on the inside edge like the toms. The Rogers Swivomatic mounts, two for spurs and one for the tom arm seem to have another hole that would be original to the drum. Probably the original spur brackets? The cymbal arm brackets have the same type of fasteners as the t-rods, however they have been mounted in place of something else, likely the original brackets were shorter as there is another hole between the two mounting bolts. The badge looks to be original but may not be? I have some pictures but can't seem to find the right size to work on this site???

Barry (mono-plane)
UPBEAT - Drums For Kids (on Facebook)
71 Black Cortex 22, 14 *wtd 16" ft*
61 Ludwig Super Downbeat 20, 16, 13 w/matching Jazz Festival (Black & Gold Duco)
63 Ludwig Clubdate Blue Sparkle 20, 14, 12 (WTB a nice 12" Blue Sparkle tom)
79 Black Beauty SS 6.5 x 14 (one previous owner players or studio drum) 4 sale
80 Black Beauty Supra 6.5 x 14 (4 sale)
Posted on 12 years ago
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I did a little more reading tonight, here's what I found;

There is a later cloud shaped badge in this timeline;

http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/drcjw/article_1_badges.html

That isn't in this, more popular, timeline;

http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/slingerland_badges.html

I think that is your badge. The time frame accounts for the lugs, (end of the run for the old style beaver tail lugs), the hoops, (beginning of the run for the double flanged hoops), the badge, the 20" bass drum listed ('49 catalogue, closest year I could find, link doesn't work so here is the same page from '51), here; http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/slingerland_drum_sets/1951-slingerland-drumsets3.jpg

Same page lists an 8 x 12 single headed tom, so we know that size tom shell was available. Didn't see a 14 x 14 listed anywhere but who knows.

I'm gonna call it a '46-'48.

Many thanks to both Mark Cooper and C.J. Wenk. You guys have compiled a mind numbing amount of research on Slingys and made it freely available to everyone. Top shelf, gentlemen.

Posted on 12 years ago
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Posted on 12 years ago
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That cocktail bass is 18x20

There are 14x20 bass drums offered in 1950.

I don't have a cat scan from '49 or '48 to tie into the badge timeline exactly.

If '50 is the earliest for a 14x20, maybe the drum was fitted with a leftover badge from '48.

If someone has a full cat scan from '48, perhaps they can see if a 14x20 is offered?

Either way, a great outfit, and one for the books!

Kev

Kevin
Posted on 12 years ago
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From mike17

I did a little more reading tonight, here's what I found; There is a later cloud shaped badge in this timeline;http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/drcjw/article_1_badges.htmlThat isn't in this, more popular, timeline;http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/slingerland_badges.htmlI think that is your badge. The time frame accounts for the lugs, (end of the run for the old style beaver tail lugs), the hoops, (beginning of the run for the double flanged hoops), the badge, the 20" bass drum listed ('49 catalogue, closest year I could find, link doesn't work so here is the same page from '51), here; http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/slingerland_drum_sets/1951-slingerland-drumsets3.jpgSame page lists an 8 x 12 single headed tom, so we know that size tom shell was available. Didn't see a 14 x 14 listed anywhere but who knows. I'm gonna call it a '46-'48.Many thanks to both Mark Cooper and C.J. Wenk. You guys have compiled a mind numbing amount of research on Slingys and made it freely available to everyone. Top shelf, gentlemen.

Thanks to all of you for your input and help.

Barry (mono-plane)
UPBEAT - Drums For Kids (on Facebook)
71 Black Cortex 22, 14 *wtd 16" ft*
61 Ludwig Super Downbeat 20, 16, 13 w/matching Jazz Festival (Black & Gold Duco)
63 Ludwig Clubdate Blue Sparkle 20, 14, 12 (WTB a nice 12" Blue Sparkle tom)
79 Black Beauty SS 6.5 x 14 (one previous owner players or studio drum) 4 sale
80 Black Beauty Supra 6.5 x 14 (4 sale)
Posted on 12 years ago
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From kevins

That cocktail bass is 18x20There are 14x20 bass drums offered in 1950.I don't have a cat scan from '49 or '48 to tie into the badge timeline exactly.If '50 is the earliest for a 14x20, maybe the drum was fitted with a leftover badge from '48.If someone has a full cat scan from '48, perhaps they can see if a 14x20 is offered?Either way, a great outfit, and one for the books!Kev

Thanks Kev.

Barry (mono-plane)
UPBEAT - Drums For Kids (on Facebook)
71 Black Cortex 22, 14 *wtd 16" ft*
61 Ludwig Super Downbeat 20, 16, 13 w/matching Jazz Festival (Black & Gold Duco)
63 Ludwig Clubdate Blue Sparkle 20, 14, 12 (WTB a nice 12" Blue Sparkle tom)
79 Black Beauty SS 6.5 x 14 (one previous owner players or studio drum) 4 sale
80 Black Beauty Supra 6.5 x 14 (4 sale)
Posted on 12 years ago
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So can we determine the year/era of the toms?

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Barry (mono-plane)
UPBEAT - Drums For Kids (on Facebook)
71 Black Cortex 22, 14 *wtd 16" ft*
61 Ludwig Super Downbeat 20, 16, 13 w/matching Jazz Festival (Black & Gold Duco)
63 Ludwig Clubdate Blue Sparkle 20, 14, 12 (WTB a nice 12" Blue Sparkle tom)
79 Black Beauty SS 6.5 x 14 (one previous owner players or studio drum) 4 sale
80 Black Beauty Supra 6.5 x 14 (4 sale)
Posted on 12 years ago
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Bass drum pictures. The last one is of the Swivomatic spur bracket mounting nuts/washers and it show an extra hole, likely the original from the Slingerland spur? The second picture is grommet on the back of the badge.

Barry (mono-plane)
UPBEAT - Drums For Kids (on Facebook)
71 Black Cortex 22, 14 *wtd 16" ft*
61 Ludwig Super Downbeat 20, 16, 13 w/matching Jazz Festival (Black & Gold Duco)
63 Ludwig Clubdate Blue Sparkle 20, 14, 12 (WTB a nice 12" Blue Sparkle tom)
79 Black Beauty SS 6.5 x 14 (one previous owner players or studio drum) 4 sale
80 Black Beauty Supra 6.5 x 14 (4 sale)
Posted on 12 years ago
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