Mike, Thanks for the recap of what my kit likely is. Can one say it might be a 1949 kit with a 1948 Cloud badge?
Hey Barry;
One can say whatever one likes.
I think I have stated what I think and why very clearly, including links to where I got the information. Respectfully, may I ask why you think your kit is a '49? I don't see any parts on your kit or info that would point to that conclusion.
Mike
Hey Barry; One can say whatever one likes. I think I have stated what I think and why very clearly, including links to where I got the information. Respectfully, may I ask why you think your kit is a '49? I don't see any parts on your kit or info that would point to that conclusion. Mike
Hi Mike,
The earliest 20" bass drum seems to be a 1949. Frankly it sounds like the kit is likely a 1947 or '48 but the bass drum size doesn't fit.
Barry
Hey Barry;
Ok, I think I understand where you are coming from. It can't be identified in a catalogue before '49? Were you able to come up with the missing catalogues by chance? The reason I am asking is because if there is more Slingerland info out there I would like to know where to find it and read it so I can add it to and update my personal Slingerland history I am working on.
Products commonly exist before they appear in a catalogue. (LOTS exist and NEVER make it into a catalogue.) One has to be built and photographed for it to appear in the catalogue. Catalogues commonly precede the end of the previous year, meaning a '49 catalogue is generally available in late '48. Taking into account the time it takes to produce a catalogue, photos, copy, printing, proofing, distribution, I would say products existed mid '48. We know for a fact a 20 inch mold existed at the time, although too long. Is this a guess? Yes, but a carefully considered, informed one.
The flipside to the problem of allowing the bass drum to pull the kit forward on the timeline presents another, bigger problem. The lugs went out of use 1 1/2 to 2 years before this time. That IS well documented. So either one part, the bd shell, was cut down from an existing shell, (or was a newly developed shorter shell), or, a bunch of obsolete parts, the lugs, get pulled from one drawer, and the badge, pulled from old parts drawer number two, all get used on the line on the same day a year to two years after the fact.
Occam's razor says no.
Regardless of the disagreement over dates, those will be some killer tubs.
Still jealous.
Hey Barry; Ok, I think I understand where you are coming from. It can't be identified in a catalogue before '49? Were you able to come up with the missing catalogues by chance? The reason I am asking is because if there is more Slingerland info out there I would like to know where to find it and read it so I can add it to and update my personal Slingerland history I am working on. Products commonly exist before they appear in a catalogue. One has to be built and photographed for it to appear in the catalogue. Catalogues commonly precede the end of the previous year, meaning a '49 catalogue is generally available in late '48. Taking into account the time it takes to produce a catalogue, photos, copy, printing, proofing, distribution, I would say products existed mid '48. Is this a guess? Yes, but a carefully considered, informed one. The flipside to the problem of allowing the bass drum to pull the kit forward on the timeline presents another, bigger problem. The lugs went out of use 1 1/2 to 2 years before this time. That IS well documented. So either the one part, the bd shell, existed early, or, a bunch of obsolete parts, the lugs, get pulled from one drawer, and the badge, pulled from old parts drawer number two, all get used on the line on the same day a year to two years after the fact. Occam's razor says no. Regardless of the disagreement over dates, those will be some killer tubs. Still jealous.
Hey Mike,
I understand your thinking better now, thank you for the added explanation. I agree with you the kit is likely original (except the Rogers Swivomatic hardware) and made in 1947 or '48. I have no catalogues nor did any surface in response to your earlier question if anybody had the missing years.
They are a piece of history for sure. :)
Cheers,
Barry
