OK, so it's only 20 years old, but I have, among other sets, a 1993 Ludwig Super Classic kit with long lugs (imperials). I don't believe it is old enough yet to be considered vintage. I'm sure it is collectible due to the fact it is the older shell composition still (maple/poplar/maple), but generally what is the guideline that defines "vintage"?
Ken
Used to be pre 1975...
Do a search on the subject, there have been some pretty long threads on that topic. Several different oppinions on it. What it comes down to is your own oppinion, there is no set year. If you like the drums and they are from 1993 and you want to consider then vintage then go ahead, the only thing to be careful with is if you were to sell them. Then the buyer might argue about it.
Thats one oppinion, Im sure some others will dissagree with me.
I'd put some of the 1980s kits in the vintage category. Yamaha's Recording Customs that someone here posted a few weeks ago definitely fit the category. Early 80s Tama, and of course, my Ludwig Rockers kit :)
But 1993 no. I'd wait another 10 years and see.
In my book, it's pre 1970's. Same with cars- Even though it's thirty years old, I'll never consider a 1983 Toyota to be vintage, even though technically it is.
Just the opinion of a stodgy old drum collector.....:2Cents:
"Vintage" by itself means nothing and should only be used with a date, such as "vintage '70s". It basically means "from the period of". It has no correlation with age. You could say "vintage 2012" and still be accurate -- they do it with wines all the time.
Here in Wisconsin we can get vintage license plates for our vehicles after 20 years. Personally I always figure anything older than 1980 as vintage. No special reason why.
In my book, it's pre 1970's. Same with cars- Even though it's thirty years old, I'll never consider a 1983 Toyota to be vintage, even though technically it is. Just the opinion of a stodgy old drum collector.....:2Cents:
Laughing H
Well put! I would never consider anything from the 80's or newer as vintage.
You have to admit...this '83 Celica looks pretty cool, though! Car Driving2
Do a little search on the word vintage, or "what makes it vintage" on this forum. There is no generally agreed upon explanation of our use of the word vintage. Any attempt to get the guys on this forum to agree to a definition of vintage is futile.
So - as stated above - if you like it, it's more than a few years old, and it has some value, then go ahead and call it vintage.
And yes the word "vintage" as a noun means year, as in it was a 1959 vintage wine, but on this site we use it as an adjective, denoting some value or quality, which is also done with wines. Defining the value or quality which we assign the term "vintage" to on this forum has proven to be impossible.
Everyone seems to have a different interpretation of the term and no one wants to agree on a definition so based on that I believe my 1994 Yamaha maple custom absolute kit is vintage.
You decide but don't be surprised if people disagree with you. And I expect that the next post will disagree with me and this post.
But thanks for asking!!
Do a little search on the word vintage, or "what makes it vintage" on this forum. There is no generally agreed upon explanation of our use of the word vintage. Any attempt to get the guys on this forum to agree to a definition of vintage is futile. So - as stated above - if you like it, it's more than a few years old, and it has some value, then go ahead and call it vintage.And yes the word "vintage" as a noun means year, as in it was a 1959 vintage wine, but on this site we use it as an adjective, denoting some value or quality, which is also done with wines. Defining the value or quality which we assign the term "vintage" to on this forum has proven to be impossible.Everyone seems to have a different interpretation of the term and no one wants to agree on a definition so based on that I believe my 1994 Yamaha maple custom absolute kit is vintage.You decide but don't be surprised if people disagree with you. And I expect that the next post will disagree with me and this post.But thanks for asking!!
McD, you just knew someone would, didn't you! :)
Vintage to me is pre 1980 for drums. But, like McD's '94 Yammy's, while not vintage in my book, doesn't mean those aren't quality, desirable drums.
Quality is always a definer to me, regardless of it's age. Also, taking this into other realms of collectors, you'd actually find a lot more concrete cut off age.
In antiques, it was defined by the US Customs service for here. A true antique is one hundred years old. Anything less is 'vintage'. Yes, it may be collectable, but an item made in 1914 is still 'vintage' until next year. To push that forward, an item became 'vintage' thirty years after it was made.
Shoot, that means I'm 'vintage' X 2!
