David, did you mean the entire drum with heads and all or strip the heads and rims?

I have one of the new B/O badged factory second Black Beauty's. The problem, making it a 2nd is in the black finish applied to the brass shell. It came from Bentley's Drums in Fresno. I've also seen them on eBay and if I remember, Musician's Friend. I have to stare at the drum for some time to find the flaw, and it's tiny. Like a paint run or drip. I got the 6.5 inch deep model and it's worth every penny. Just as an aside, my wife got it for me for Christmas last year! Now that is a wonderful woman!

Yes Sir

Could be the sizes you are loading Hoppy. Google "online photo reduction" software and you can do it online and repost them here, but use the medium size and you should be good to go.

Hope you got what I was saying about the new BB I saw. Asking 450, and I know a first Q is that, or less online. So for a blem at that price...and it does sound right, but no way. I''ll buy a supra first. it is only about 6lbs in my hand.

If this is to work and to help people that are trying to figure this out, we need these measurements for these drums. (Please add to the list)

1. The Shell

2. The Hardware (less heads and wires)

Then these drums

1. Acrolites

2. Supraphonics in both sizes and different eras

3. Black Beauties in both sizes and different eras

Documenting the era, badge and year are important to the data.

This is just one of those projects on the wish list.

David

Thanks for the tip, but I have Capture NX2 and "Photoshop" CS3/4/5. I processed the RAW images in Capture and reduced the jpeg quality then shrank the image size in CS/PS. I'm getting a HTTP 500 message and not the "hey bonehead can ya make them images even smaller" message like I did on the first two postings that I inserted the pics in. So from my end it looks like a server error.

David,

That sounds like a killa idea to gather that kind of data. I'll be glad to contribute any data that I collect on the drum so that it can be centrally located and accessed by the odd inquiring mind, along with all the other drum info!

Unfortunately I don't think the weight would tell you much. The 70's Brass and Bronze shelled Supras and Black Beauties were constructed much differently than the late 50's / early 60's Brass shelled snare drums, which were welded vertically and quite heavy. The 70's ones are spun seamless, and weigh only slightly more than Ludalloy drums.

If your drum is Ludalloy, a magnet still won't stick, as it's mostly aluminum. 70's and early 80's BB's have a distinctive gun metal sheen, whereas the black coated drums of the 80's just look more like black paint.

If it were my drum I would file one of the lug holes, and look for brass shavings.

Thanks,

Bill

Shrink using Paint....... works for me

Bill,

This drum does exhibit a bit of that "blueing" characteristic and there is some red and blue spectural reflections from the shell. To most photographers this would appear as "noise" in a digitial photograph, but in person that sheen is visible to the eye not just in a photo capture/reproduction. Look at "Flaw" picture #3 and especially #4 for that effect.

And by the way, thanks to all for pitching in to figure this one out. Again I just hope that if this isn't a BB and just a gussied-up Ludalloy, that we can share the info to limit the masquerade from costing someone an arm and leg for something that is more ordinary than extraordinary (and I got a feeling there are more than a few of therse out there masquerading).

FIY... I did get the "flaw" pics posted into the thread... but I accidentally loaded them into post #6 instead of #3 Dooh!

What are your final pixel size and K size for the photos?

They have to be under 1000 wide and under 120K.

I have had errors before, but never a server error.

Let me know the specs, I like to get to the bottom of issues like this.

David

David, I was trying to cheat the server to get larger pics in... I saw that the server would randomly shrink them so I have a variety of sizes on the widths that I uploaded. Some went up at 2500to1000 on the width and one or two others that were sized smaller than 1000. I think I was OK for the "total" pixel size though.

For instance

111Kb, 500x314 is the image uplaod size for "Ludwig417BB_004_Badge_Detail"

143Kb, 1000x1505 is the image uplaod size for "Ludwig417BB_035_Sml"

63Kb, 1300x978 is the image uplaod size for "Ludwig417BB_032_Sml"

216Kb, 1500x1692 is the image uplaod size for "Ludwig417BB_026_Sml"

136Kb, 2500x498 is the image uplaod size for "BB_Pan_Combined9_18b_Sml"

That answers it. Just one of those five would work and it might still not take that one.

So some need the K dropped and some need the width changed.

David