WOW! That is a time machine find! The way to tell...many ways to tell, would be the first is around the grommet inside the drums. And since these are granitone, it would be very easy, except that you can buy a good replacement at Mal-Mart. The seam should be under the lugs, and would be "thick". If it were the film, you would see it as very thin. If it is a re-wrap, and a very good one, you would not be able to tell. It would take a real close inspection.

So, you may very well have a time capsule find.

I find it very hard to believe that anyone would go to that much trouble to rewrap a Pioneer. The grommet, badge and the wrap look straight to my eye. It just wouldn't be feasible for most people to spend lot of restoration money on a drum like this. Don't get me wrong....I LOVE Pioneers! I think they sound better than Jazz Festivals....but they don't garner the high-end money for vintage Ludwig snare drums, so I doubt that it's been messed with.:2Cents:

Well I've been playing this set for about 3 years and I really want to move on and get a new set. I'm looking at about 1,000 for my new set and I really really really would like to sell these and come out even cause I am a highschool kid with a part time job and no money. I want to know all the ways I can up the value on these drums.

1. Would it be worth it to get a new bass drum rim and where would I find one?

2. Should I sell the high hat stand and bass pedal with it? (I have secondaries for another kit)

3. Should I sell the snare with the toms and kick or separately?

4. Will it even ever be worth a grand or am I wasting my time??

Thanks you guys are so helpful

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To drum traders, or "collectors", completeness and originality are everything. So yes, the more complete the the kit, hardware and all, the better you will do. Standards don't bring as much as say a Super Classic, or even a ClubDate, however if they are in a good as condition as they look from here, who knows? If you have time, you may really close. Most Standards, in good condition, and ytours appears to be, bring in the neighborhood, as opined above, of around 700-800. You might get lucky.

I would like to ask, why do you want a new set? And what are you looking at? For a grand, you will be stepping down in quality, and the sound may well be something you find you don't like, after the "shine" gets old in your eyes. These vintage klits sound different than new gear, and many people that have played vintage for years sell there kits and then regret it. Keep this in mind. you may like that new sound now, but after a few months, you may find them very limited in adaptability.

If you need the parts, post your list in our "Wanted" section. Beware the trolls. You may be bombarded by lowballers telling you your kit is "only worth 300" so don't fall for this crap. There are many sharks trolling this pond that take advatg\age of unsuspecting people, especially now that you have divulged your age. They are looking to profit from your ignorance. This does not mean you are stupid, just that you don't know the vintage drum market. Please be wary!

Well I wanted to get a maple set that had an extra floor tom cause I really like them. I also wanted to try out having the high toms separated from the bass drum so I can lower them down some more cause I like that feel.

The other thing is (you guys might think its stupid - haha) but it doesn't match our band colors. I've been playing a lot and we are actually getting really good and are thinking of sending a demo cd in to a record company.

That's just my opinion.

Hey man, there is nothing wrong with that! BTW, your kit is maple. It is maple/poplar/maple. Have you tried taking the toms off the mounts and using some spare snare stands to give them a lower profile? You can pull the pipe and set them on stands and there you \may find that different sound you are looking for. Once you take the pressure off the shell at the contact point of the mount, it might make the difference in sound you are looking for. As for the colors....not gonna be much help I know.

What kind of music are you playing? I just really hate to see you buy something new expecting a "better" sound, as most modern drums, once you get away from the entry level and into the 1000-1200 and up range, truth be told, all sound much the same to my old ears, just kind of flat and un-original. But that is just my opinion. Heck, they are all made oif the same shells, so they sound pretty much the same.

If you really want to get another set, look at Craigslist, you can usually find a good modern klit for near nothing, depending on where you live, and get the same drums in good condition as the new ones, and save a bundle! Many people in this economy are losing their shirts and have near new gear they are forced to sacrifice in order to eat. I am not saying it is a good thing to pray on the disadvantaged, but the truth is, they have to do what they have to do.

The snare is a gold sparkle pioneer...in good shape worth about $200.

The set is a different finish from a different line of drums.

They're a set standards in gold mist. (As stated originally.)

As is, I'd guess the 4 piece standard set, as is, with wrong and or missing parts, would get about $4-550.

I'd sell it the set separately from the snare.

I can understand why someone might want a modern set...

I'd look into a used modern mid line Gretsch (good deals on Catalina and new classic models) and Ludwig classic maples and others. A nice set of some of those can be found for less than a grand, even new.

I LOVE that kit. Seriously good condition. The Gold Mist is one of my all time favorite wraps on the Standards. Yours seems to be in excellent condition. Even the washers are slick. Very nice.

The issue with worth is ... no one puts the same value on Standards. In one month, I saw four Standard kits go. One went for 300, the highest was pushing 900 (mine).

If I was looking for an early 70's Luddy, I'd trade you a kit for yours. I just sold a Standard in Blue Strata. Wonderful kits.

I've got the Ludwig 22 hoops that already have the gold inlay. Let me know if you would like to purchase the set. Maybe the buyer will want 'em. I've no use for them and it looks like your kit could put them to work.

Have you tried different head combinations? Your kit should sound amazing. Hard to believe it wouldn't work for you.

Rich is correct. I would add one more bit, though. Check the used kits. I can put you on to some used kits for cheap. I locate kits for the young guns out here, so I spend some time looking. There's several very nice high quality kits right now going for under 600. These things are out there if you look. Heck, I recently found a great gigging kit for 99 bucks. Unreal stuff if your eyes are open.

It is Maple? Did Ludwig coat the inside or something? Ill make sure I check the adds first if that's what i decide...

That would be awesome. To fix up the set that's top on my list. I assume you've got two of them. (front and back)