Based on the information available on the tag that is pictured, I would guess that seeing each and every tag would tell us.....that they are Rogers drums.

Cleveland beavertail, Dayton flat gray, later speckled gray Dayton, and even all Swivo fullerton era are good targets. I personally have a preference for the 4 piece set up. You will find sets with Cleveland/Dayton flat gray tag mix that are factory sets. That is a transition period I don't mind. Myself, I wouldn't go crazy for a flat gray/speckled gray mix, although there is no good reason for that preference. Fullerton and Fullerton 9/72 drums are excellent drums. Cast collet tensioners are prone to cracking, but can be replaced with machined versions. If I found a kit I liked, I would be willing to make that switch. The tensioners on the tom and bass would be the priority, and if a person was reasonably careful, there would be no reason to be in a hurry to replace the spur tensioners if they were still good.

Most 20" bass drums will be paired to a 12 and either a 14 FT or a 16 FT. Although you will occasionally see a factory set up with a 20-13-16. A 22 will probably be paired with a 13 and a 16 FT. But you might also see the 22-12-16 combination.

In my opinion, it is worth the extra money to buy into a kit without issues. Factory paired rewrap kits can be had for usually a better price, and the reason being the rewrap devalues them somewhat. They play just as good. Unmolested original kits are always the preference. Extra holes, random added mounts, changed out hardware..... run.

Most important, be patient.

My three 60s Rogers sets each took at least two to four years before I made those purchases. But they are special. And I like them. I have four Big R era sets as well. I love Rogers.

Good hunting.

I have a Fullerton 72' kit in excellent condition. Single or double bass drum set-up available. Includes a Dynasonic.

$1200. + shipping for 12", 13", 16", 20" w/Dyna

$1450. +shipping for 12", 13", 16", 20", 22" w/Dyna

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John

Purdie ... drool .........drool ....

Wow those are gorgeous and actually a great deal. I will let you know. From my research (and from this website) I take it that the 72 Fullertons were the last of the great Rogers drums. With the popular shells from the mid 60's and swivomatic era hardware.

The reason I say ask to see all the tags is so you do not buy a part Fullerton and part Dayton kit made up of Orphans, the quality of hardware on Fullerton drums is NOT up to the standard set by Cleveland and Dayton stuff. The collets as stated are very prone to cracking and they are not cheap to replace ,lets say you have 5 on your set that is about 250 bucks for new machined collets and the swivo balls are even different, so anyway just keep that in mind if you are looking for that special kit .... and I agree that Fullerton drums sound great but they will never hold the value like a Cleveland kit. all of this is just my opinion...

I understand from a collectors and from the value point of view of having a certain era of drums. I would mainly be using them for studio work or live gigs. Basically I would need to have available to me nearly any kind of drum sound someone would want. So even if I got a mis matched kit or used some non Rogers hardware it might fit the bill.

That being said since every little part effects the overall sound I can understand going for the most complete kit as possible. From the longtern ownership point of view I can also see why having a certain Rogers era makese sense.

The 9/72 kits were made until 1975, and then the big R/Memriloc drums came along. These drums were made until 1979, and they were the same as the 9/72 drums except for the Memriloc spurs/tom mounts.

The Swivomatic stuff (1957-1975) is what are the most highly prized, but the Big R drums are good too and you can get a super deal on them.

The 70's Swivo drums do have the cast collets, but there are repros for $30 each. A 3-piece kit has 4 of them, 2 for the spurs and one for each end of the tom arm. Replace these, and the kit is bulletproof. But good uncracked cast collets are still workable too.

All of the 70's drums have lighter lugs and leg mounts, but they are still excellent drums. The Ohio drums are the most sought after and cost more, but the later stuff is very good too.

Just posting a pic of the 9x13" tom so you can see the finish.

No No, and Hell NO!!!

Come on man.... just because a whole lot of snooty, pretentious, overly full of themselves and proud of it "dudes" think that the only real Rogers were made in 1963 with Beavertail Lugs and three ply MPM Keller shells, does not mean they are right. I am not even sure who "they" are, but that whole myth seems to be self repreating on almost every forum one might happen to visit. It is just a myth. Early Big R with the five ply shells and memriloc hardware might not be the cats meow today, but for their time, they were the best thing in drums and hardware. Yes research and technology have evolved mounting hardware way beyond Rogers Memriloc. But that was an important step in the evolution of modern drumset technology. As for the XP8 Eight ply All American Maple period of Rogers Big R... they are fine, excellent drums. Possibly the best drums Rogers ever built.