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Ludwig Pre Serial # 5 x 14 COB Supra Phonic Last viewed: 28 minutes ago

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From Purdie Shuffle

> I've tried to pin this weight distribution down before but didn't quite get a clear answer.Damn if you're not about to get another one! LOL When I read your question my brain froze. I honestly don't recall if the weights I quoted were taken from full-dressed drums, or just shells. It was an old thread, but the numbers stuck in my head. I honestly can't remember now if the weights represented a complete, or a partial drum. Senior brain freeze... it's like an ice-cream brain freeze only without the ice-cream. :pJohn

My post above should clear that up

Andrew

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Posted on 10 years ago
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From Fayray

just for the record, and because I'd never checked before, my 64 400 with cob hoops weighs 7.4lbs complete (using cheap digital kitchen scales). I have only ever held one Super before and it was a heavy lump compared to an aluminum model.Great score BTW. I nearly got a good deal on a trans badge cob Super a while back but alas the the ebay seller cancelled the sale, sigh...

I've got a modern (2002) black beauty and a 1969 alloy supra and I'm going to weight them as a further bit of data, but only when I buy a decent scale for the task. Haven't made the investment yet. I got close and then cymbal buying got in the way.

Thanks Andrew. Oh, and nice try getting that seller on TradeMe to tell us the weight on his pre serial 602 18". Who knows if he is remotely right in his guess, but that puts it as medium ride and makes me happy I didn't bite "just in case" it was a crash. :p It sold for NZD103 which (for those in the USA) is about $80 which is what happens when you can't give the important details for these 602 18" cymbals. Rides are a dime a dozen. Yes Sir

Posted on 10 years ago
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From zenstat

I've got a modern (2002) black beauty and a 1969 alloy supra and I'm going to weight them as a further bit of data, but only when I buy a decent scale for the task. Haven't made the investment yet. I got close and then cymbal buying got in the way. Thanks Andrew. Oh, and nice try getting that seller on TradeMe to tell us the weight on his pre serial 602 18". Who knows if he is remotely right in his guess, but that puts it as medium ride and makes me happy I didn't bite "just in case" it was a crash. :p It sold for NZD103 which (for those in the USA) is about $80 which is what happens when you can't give the important details for these 602 18" cymbals. Rides are a dime a dozen. Yes Sir

I was guessing that the bad keyhole would likely indicate a heavier cymbal, therefore a ride (not sure if this logic is correct). But I was hoping for a crash. I have an 18" 602 ride already that I don't use too often. I love my old 20" medium 602 ride though. My favourite.

Sorry for getting way OTCooked Egg

Andrew

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Posted on 10 years ago
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A smaller, 3/4" muffler may be an indication for brass too

Either way, you got a great snare

Posted on 10 years ago
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From GAR

A smaller, 3/4" muffler may be an indication for brass tooEither way, you got a great snare

Yeah the small knob muffler is a pretty good indicator of COB as is a WFL or Ludwig "Transition" badge. Of course badges and mufflers can be replaced so neither is a 100% foolproof indicator if you don't have the drum in your hands.

Posted on 10 years ago
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Along with the crimped snare beds the inside flange of the (bearing edge) will be curled under on a brass model. The aluminum Supra's have a straight edge flange/no curl.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 10 years ago
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The curled edge on the bearing edge flange is really the one tell that is easiest to see in good photos. Crimped beds don't matter as there were alloy drums with crimped beds.

I have a Supra with crimped beds, red BB muffler, pre-serial keystone, and it weighs a bit more than later supras...but it has a ludalloy shell. It doesn't have the flange curl or the seam, but those are the only visible differences (those and very slight pitting in the chrome, ANY pitting in the chrome on the shell would also be reason to suspect it may be aluminum ).

Posted on 10 years ago
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After seeing how many opinions there are concerning whether this drum is a True COB or not I followed the advice of Zenstat; watched the video he had posted and did further investigation. Following the Video I found the Seam in the Shell - The Curl at the end of the Flange or Bearing Edge - The Crimped Snare Bed Section. Hopefully the Pics post and Someone can truly tell me if I have a Real Ludwig Pre Serial Keystone Badge Cob Supraphonic Snare Drum. I really would love to be definite in case if I decide to sell I can Accurately Describe.

Posted on 10 years ago
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From zenstat

Thanks John. So that's the "full dressed" weight not the bare shell weight? For a 1963-64 Aluminum Surpra vs the same general time frame Super? I've tried to pin this weight distribution down before but didn't quite get a clear answer. When I ran the numbers using different combinations of old vs later lugs, original brass vs later (thinner) brass rims vs steel rims (the one in the original post has a drop snare gate should it is very likely to be original) it looked like the weight distributions would still make weighing the full dressed snare definitive. But I never really got to the bottom of it...As you know, I do like to get the details right. Oh, and I should say it's not that I doubt that one. It is just that I always try and write with a future audience in mind who might happen to find this thread in a search. If you think that way it seems worth the extra effort to give good references and the complete checklist.

I Posted Some Pics Of The Drum Apart Thanks To Your Comments & Video. Thank You

Posted on 10 years ago
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Dennis - it's a Chrome Over Brass Ludwig Super. After you take it apart and detail it, if there are no scratches, dents, or dingers anywhere you can ask anywhere from $650./$700 to $950+ for a real clean one. The more dents and dingers, the price goes down accordingly. Have no doubt, you made one of the best scores reported here in the forum so far this year. A couple of guys made incredible scores, but so far, yours tops them all. $35. for a pre-serial COB... start playing the lottery!

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 10 years ago
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