Newbe making my first post here. Been wanting to get confirmation on what have so I saw this post and it looks like I found some answers. This is my snare that I bought new from Drums LTD in Chicago on Walbash Ave back in 1985. Had this drum tucked away for years until recently decided to take a look and find out exactly what it is. Since I bought it new you'd think I would know what I had but at the time as a 20 year old kid I just grabed any chorme Ludwig snare I could find as a replacement for the one I had ripped off a few days earlier from a gig. I just wanted a chome snare to match my Ludwig stainless steal kit I was playing at that time.

Anyway I was having trouble figuring if this was a Supra 402 or Acrolite because of the ten bowtie lugs on it. If I were to ever sell it what do I call it?

Any help is appreciated

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Well, if it is a Ludaloy shell and has 10 lugs, regardless of the type of lug, it is a Supraphonic. If, on the other hand, the shell is COS, then it is a 10 lug Rocker, I believe....

It has the round blue Ludaloy sticker inside the shell. Thanks!

Is it possible that it's one of those randomly made steel models? The chrome scrape photo looks like steel... Not light, like aluminium.

I am referring to the original post in this thread, by the way.

Guys, to continue an over-year-long topic, I have just found a 5x14 supra with--you guessed it--acrolite lugs! Has the Ludalloy sticker inside, has a b/o badge in the 3,000,000 serial range, so this has to be an 80s drum. Obviously, with these three drums as examples, we're seeing that things were in a state of change in this late 70s early 80s era. I remember a phone conversation with a guy about Ludwig Keystone badges who claims to have knowledge that the Large Keystone badges with no serials had been used several years prior to the "official" '83 or so time when the chicago keystone badges were implemented full-force. I keep saying things aren't in stone and people, "experts" who feel that things are all cut and dried and neat around the corners get thrown for a loop. Anyway, it is definitely possible they had the Keystones prior to utilizing them en mass in the 80s. And the lack of serial number is a possible way of determining that drum may well have been badged with the later badge several years before they were commonly put on the drums.

As far as the acrolite or classic lugs being place on the supras, Maybe they had a few instances where they had not received a shipment of the imperial lugs and just went with the acro lugs. Both are the same internally anyway.

All three drums in this topic, the first one, with the keystone no serial, the second with the keystone and serial, and the drum I have with the b/o badge in the 3,000,000 range, would have been produced within a 7 year period or so of each other, so there is a twisted consistency here, I believe.

At a glance, that's what I thought too, but if you look closely at the badge, it says "Chicago" - no mention of Monroe.

From elsewhere on this fine site, a picture of the same badge, identifying it as a transitional badge used around the time of the Ludwig move from Chicago to Monroe - this badge is ID'd as from a 1985 snare:

http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/badges/ludwig/keystone_transition.jpg

Still, very curious. What's the deal with the Acrolite lugs? Maybe they were using up the last of the existing parts inventory in Chicago before the move, and some Supras ended up with Acrolite lugs just because that's what was available?

Scott

checker,

Indeed, you are correct. I was wrong in my initial assessment. I continue to learn new stuff everyday, here, and I've been here a long time! lol! Storm Trooper

Pounder,

Just to clarify my drum has no serial on the Chicago badge either :)

Hi I'm having the same problem identifying my snare drum but mines is a 6.5. I bought it in the mid to late 70's and by the looks of it people tell me it's an 80's or 90's snare drum. I'd say they were right but I have dated pics of me playing it in the 70's.

That large keystone badge didn't come out until '84. That's interesting. What does it say on the bottom of the badge?

Mike