IRV COTTER!!! lol

Saying the beatles are the best band ever is the same as saying rolling stone is the best music mag, mtv is the best music channel and mcdonalds is the best burgers....hype dictates what masses buy into,,,most drummers think bonham and peart were the best, but I say hal blaine...dennis might not have been technical but he was the most charasmatic and was the ultimate rock star, everybody wanted to be him and chicks wanted to do him, he was the epitome of cool// that was factual and no one was ever that cool, and he was as solid of a drummer there ever was, just not technical.

Well whenever I talk to songwriters (and I know quite a few) they always reference the greatness of the Beatles. Thats it. Sorry mate and all that. No hype but actual on the ground logic.

I guess the only threat to the Beatles mantle are the guy's from Motown. Then maybe you'll have a much more serious debate.

Although most people know that The Beach Boys "borrowed" the music on "Surfin' U.S.A." from Chuck Berry's "Sweet Little Sixteen" (1958), many probably don't realize that Ringo played a version with Jerry Lee Lewis on "Sweet Little Sixteen" (2006, "Last Man Standing" album). Since the music is virtually identical, fans of Dennis and Ringo can listen to both play the same tune. Just sayin'.

Brian

Soo by your logic the Beatles are not the best, But? Hal Blaine is ??Help2Jumping2

I never really thought of Dennis as the ultimate rock star and I certainly never wanted to be him, or for that matter, I am not even sure I knew who he was other than the guy who played with the Beach Boys. I think I recall a Camco poster with him at the time though. While I cannot speak to the desires of young women at the time, I would imagine you would be hard pressed to say that he pegged the Luv-O-Meter nearly as much as any of the four Beatles.

Your logic on the popularity of the Beatles and comparisons to McDonald's seems to fly in the face of your selection of Hal Blaine as the greatest drummer when you think about it. I have never understood the need to quantify music or musicians. Seems a trivial waste of time, but I am enjoying this thread in my spare time...of which I really have none.

I personally hate the Beatles music but until I see a "Dennis Wilson Kit" thread on here, I will have to continue to believe Ringo is:

a) more popular

b) more influential because he is more popular - the two go hand in hand....

Keeping in mind, a singular Dennis-Wilson-Kit thread will simply be just that. There is usually one or more a month about Ringo's gear......

Also, they were able to keep accurate score when those guys were both cranking out albums in their hey-days. It was called album sales. People gave record stores money to buy their favorite band's music. There was no internet or digital anything to skew the numbers. If you wanted the music, you had to buy a record, and by buying a record, you were in fact voting for the most popular band of the time. The Beatles won.

With all this said, I would rather listen to Wipeout any day over any Beatles song out there.

The first song I learned to play on drums was "Get Back". My brother needed a drummer, so he bought me a pair of sticks and showed me (amazingly quite accurately) what was required. I was 12. I said to him "wait a minute! what about the other songs?" He replied "they all go more or less like that" Well, sort of. I played gigs with his band about a month later. Left town aged 15 and didn't stop playing for about 30 years. It was all about Ringo for me to begin with. I didn't really know any Beatles song prior to Abbey Road. I just fell in love with that album, his thermogloss set and his backwards drum fills. When I found out he was left handed many, many years later - I just laughed out loud. By that time I had actually listened to all their material and was blown away by his technique on it. Those crazy fast bossa nova feels and how he just anchored that runaway rhythm section. Later on it was Ian Paice, Doug Clifford and then I heard Stevie Wonder and just immersed myself in funk. The Beach Boys were not nearly as well known outside the USA as The Beatles. I pictured them as having great harmonies but a little square. Since then, I've come to appreciate Brian Wilson's genius. To me he's like the Mozart of his generation - Pet Sounds is just astounding. But for me, The White Album, Abbey Road and Let It Be were my inspiration to play drums. Funny thing is, I don't believe I actually play a Ringo lick in my repertoire except perhaps fills from floor tom up the kit to rack one - he was great at those. I play (or try to play) fills from Jeff Porcaro, Steve Gadd, Jim Gordon, Bernard Purdie, Harvey Mason - I can actually point to those and the songs they came from. But Ringo was so individual and unique in his approach - I just think that's what makes him so cool. Love it that he's still playing too.

I jus dont buy into hype, the beatles had some decent tunes but not with the infectious timeless quality of the beach boys....but anyone who thinks the beatles woulda been anything without george martin has no clue bout music; just look at the crap that makes it on the charts these days, without a producer polishing turds the units wouldnt be sellin,,,,marketing etc.

You keep this up and I'm going to have to smash my Pet Sounds vinyl out of spite.