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'Rare' or not. That is the question. Last viewed: 3 hours ago

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I am someone who gets really worked up as I look at adverts for drums on the net when I see the words 'rare'. It is a word that, in my opinion is extremely over used. IMO if something is rare then it means that even if you have the money to buy it, you can only get one on the odd occasion that one comes up for sale. A Picasso is rare. A 1960 Ludwig Pioneer, is not.

I saw a local advert where someone described a Speed King as 'extremely rare' and a 'collector's item'. I was moved to query it with him, thinking it may have been some kind of rare one-off model or something. But no. It was a bog standard Speed King, and not in great condition either. He was highly indignant at my implication that it was not quite as rare as he thought.

I'm not realy sure what the definition of 'rare' is when it comes to vintage drums or hardware but I doubt that anything manufacturered later than say, 1960 (maybe even earlier) could be accurately described as 'rare'. I mean, there must have been tens or even hundreds of thousands of drums, pedals and cymbals mass-produced by the major manufacturers of the period. With the advent of the internet, the marketplace for these items is huge. Even though I live in New Zealand where perhaps there are less vintage drums available, I can still buy them readily over the net from the UK or the US, making them much less of a rarity.

My main gripe with the word 'rare' is that it comes with a huge inflated price tag - mainly one that is entirely unjustified. Rant over (for now)

"If 'A' equals 'success' in life then 'A' equals 'X' plus 'Y' plus 'Z' where work equals 'X', 'Y' is play and 'Z' is keeping your mouth shut" - Albert Einstein.


1920s 14"x5" Ludwig Super Sensitive Dual Snare
1957 6 1/2" x15" Slingerland WMP Concert King
1938 8"x15" Leedy Broadway Standard
1947-53 14x6.5" NOB Ludwig & Ludwig Universal
...plus a bunch of mismatched Slingerlands that collectively make a pleasing noise.
Posted on 10 years ago
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Liked your rant and totally justified-rare these days should only be used when ordering a steak dinner and even those can be over inflated.However...what are the substitute words for rare from a seller`s perspective.I`ll let the sellers chime in on this one.

Wayne

1967 Rogers Cleveland Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1967/68 Rogers Dayton Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1966 Rogers cob 7 Line Dynasonic Snare.
1967 Rogers "Humberto Morales" Timbales.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge 14x 6.5 Black Beauty Snare.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge Red Cortex
22,22,18,16,15,14,13.
1988 Sonor "Horst Link" HLD 590 14x8 Bronze Snare
Posted on 10 years ago
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Let's not forget the other 2 words sellers use way too much on drums of no apparent connection..

Posted on 10 years ago
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From markrocks68

Let's not forget the other 2 words sellers use way too much on drums of no apparent connection..

You couldn't possibly be referring to "Bonham" or "Ringo", could you?

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 10 years ago
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I'll never buy anything called "rare" from a seller.

The greatest gift you can give your family and the world is a healthy you. - Joyce Meyer
Posted on 10 years ago
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I've been half-heartedly keeping my eye on an auction that's been up for at least a year that contains the verbiage: "These extremely rare hats are rare." Have to chuckle at that one. I think that to some people, "rare" means that Guitar Center doesn't always have it in stock.

Posted on 10 years ago
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Someone uses the word "rare," it's the same as saying "I'm asking too much and won't budge."

People who know what the item is already know whether it's hard to find, and people who don't are probably not going to be impressed anyway.

-Erik
______
Early '70's Slingerland New Rock #50 in blue agate (20-16-13-12)
Late '50's WFL Swingster/Barrett Deems in black/gold Duco
'70's Slingerland Gene Krupa Sound King COB
early '70's Ludwig Acrolite
'80's Ludwig Rocker II 6 1/2" snare
Rogers Supreme Big "R" hi hat

Posted on 10 years ago
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From markrocks68

Let's not forget the other 2 words sellers use way too much on drums of no apparent connection..

That's easy...Mint & Original...

Bop iT / Til U Drop iT.

ROGER's
1964 Cleveland,.18/14/12 in WMP
1966 Cleveland, 20/14/12 O'natural.
Fullerton,...20/16/13/12 Silver Glass

WFL
1957 B/R Super Classics In WMP

Snares..
Wood & COB Powertones,
Wood & COB Dynasonics,
57 Jazz Festival

Zildjian avedis cymbals.
40s/60s era.
Posted on 10 years ago
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Very interesting to hear your view on this. With regards to alternative descriptions, I tend to go with 'unusual to find in this condition' or sometihng of that sort. Yes, I've also noticed the over use of 'Bonham', particularly from folk trying to palm-off an LM402 for over $1000 with the words, 'Get that unique Bonham/Zeppelin sound...' It makes me cringe. It seems that my rant is continuing....

"If 'A' equals 'success' in life then 'A' equals 'X' plus 'Y' plus 'Z' where work equals 'X', 'Y' is play and 'Z' is keeping your mouth shut" - Albert Einstein.


1920s 14"x5" Ludwig Super Sensitive Dual Snare
1957 6 1/2" x15" Slingerland WMP Concert King
1938 8"x15" Leedy Broadway Standard
1947-53 14x6.5" NOB Ludwig & Ludwig Universal
...plus a bunch of mismatched Slingerlands that collectively make a pleasing noise.
Posted on 10 years ago
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To most sellers, rare simply means that none of their friends has one.

I prefer to say uncommon.

Posted on 10 years ago
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