I have a 5x14 Cleveland silver glitter Tower snare drum. It has Beavertail lugs. The hoops are narrower than tall boy hoops. My question is; Should this drum have Tall Boy hoops? I thought that once they switched from B&B lugs to Beavertail lugs that they also discontinued the Tall Boy hoops. A potential buyer today told me it should have Tall Boy hoops. Any info is appreciated. I am unable to post pics. Thanks, Jerry.
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I'm not an expert on Rogers but my understanding is that the taller hoops were used so you could continue cranking in tension on a calf head as it stretched without the top edge of the hoop going below the level of the head surface as quickly. Once plastic heads became the norm this would not have been necessary any more.
Plastic heads had become the norm around the same time as the Beavertail lugs came out and Rob Cook (who I would consider an "expert") says in his Rogers book that the taller hoops were dropped at around that time and that most "beavertail" equipped snares had standard hoops.
From what I know, K.O. is correct. As with the changes that occurred anywhere along the line, the tall hoop supply was eventually exhausted, but probably not before some of the lower profile hoops began to be used. So there is a transition period where you see some drums with both beavertail lugs and high hoops. To say without question that your drum should have high hoops would be incorrect unless you were there the day it was purchased. Based on the more detailed knowledge K.O. offered about the purpose of high hoops, I would also say it would a disadvantage to have high hoops on your beavertail-equipped snare drum.
What K.O. and Dan state are correct. I have The Rogers Book and it corresponds perfectly with the calf heads. There was just no need for the tall hoops once plastic heads came out. And, like Dan said, unless you were there on the day the drum was purchased, there is just no way to know about which hoops were on the drum.
-Mark
How about the number on your drum? Cleveland tags span a wide time zone. Tall Hoops were in use for several months on Beavertail drums. Without the number, there can be no advice, and any opinion .... isn't worth your time.
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Calf heads left the planet about 1958. A beavertail Tower.... is five years down the road. Rogers snare drums seen tall hoops well into 1964. Some at the end had top and bottom, some had top but not bottom, some had bottom but not top.
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Not great pictures (they were part of the seller's advertisement, but this PowerTone No. 3680 and has beavertail lugs and low hoops - corresponding to 1963/1964? No telling if it is all original and I have not had my hand on it yet to look closely. Based on the description and general appearance when I got it, it seems original including Rogers snares (and some corrosion on the hoops). I'll have to wait until July to get a really good look at it. I got it to match to a 1964 (45xxx) Swingtime set I got from Steve Maxwell's shop in Chicago.
Here's the Swingtime in photo no. 6.
Sure has a lot of original disposables on it to not be original. Clock face is correct. Those hoops could also be right. Tension rods are. I had 3627 COB, it was likewise equipped, and was original except for heads. I have 3732 Blue Sparkle.... Rods were original, hoops are Rogers Standard. Throw off was replaced by a Swivomatic, which I corrected with the proper piece. 3757 is on ebay now... Clock Face, with talls... seller discloses he put the talls on the drum, as it was missing hoops when he got it.
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Yes, I saw that red sparkle one 3757 and was thinking about it for a moment or two. I have a 65/66 red sparkle kit. Serials around 52xxx, so I held off as the one on sale is a bit early to go with my set. Looks like a very good buy at $369 and the color looked pretty close. I was tempted, but practiced restraint.
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