What are you speaking of here?

I had made a very generalized statement regarding bass drums. I have no recollection of any previous conversation regarding Premier basses or Orange County drums. Are you quite positive we had spoken?

Beyond my very general "vintage" looks quip, I am not onboard for any specific discussion on basses. Thank you, though.

If it ain't broke don't fix it! most if not all of the finest music ever recorded has been done in the last 80 years , big band era ,swing , rock and roll and 99% of that was done on 14 x bass drums probably alot of 14x22 and 14x26 have made some of the greatest music ever made .. so If i was going to play anymore it would be on vintage stuff I hate the new drums, I hate hanging toms, and I loath gimmicks, they are drums hit em!

I am not saying that someone can not make the perfect sound or this pitch or that hertz but who gives a rats a$$ the problem with music today is most bands and musicians are hung up on technology and have forgotten how to play or never learned.

Like I have said- I am back to 14" deep kicks. That 20" cannon looks cool, but I think I have come back to the basics, and the basics are that vintage stuff is pretty darned good. I couldn't get along with the modern stuff and became an equipment over-thinker. I am just ecstatic over the sound that the vintage stuff makes. No thought required- just tune and play the p*** out of it.

I may go 22x22 if I am feeling really crazy haha. Although I tend to feel more comfortable with a 20 inch kick in the set up, everything seems more intimate.

As for your OCDP kit, my friend has the EXACT same kit and the bass drum is the only drum he likes too.

Exactly it is music play it...

I play vintage Ludwig 24x14 bass drum, or a 90s Yamaha 24x16 bass.

I have also played a Pearl Traveler that was only around 8-9 inches deep on a 20". A friend of mine had a custom-made RB Gretsch 20" bass made which is only 10" deep and it sounds incredible. The look of the longer bass drums looks silly to me, but if I were buying a modern set of drums I wouldn't mind a deeper (18" maybe) bass drum. As far as the fundamental tone, the diameter and tightness of the head determines that. In my mind the depth contributes a fullness of sound. The length of the bass drum creates a larger chamber of air that moves between batter and resonant head which accentuates the bottom end because of a "flam" effect of the batter and then resonant head. Both heads are slightly more offset on the attack which creates more kick.

That being said, the abovementioned shallow Pearl traveler bass drum--although it is fairly weak for the oomph of the kick--nevertheless is a great-sounding bass drum and has beautiful tone. It is versatile. You can bury the beater for short attack or bounce it for more sustain and more round drum tone. Works great for a less-volume acoustic environment or a funky vibe.

With the stage mic'ing technology you could make a shallow bass drum sound very full. So in the end my take on the deep bass drum popularity is from a visual standpoint more than anything else, although, as I said, it does create a fuller sound (agreed the term might be the "cannon" effect).

The beautiful thing about acrylic drums is that they pretty well remain punchy (to a fault, sometimes), so a 22x22 would probably be pretty cool.

I tend to trigger my kicks for live onstage performance, anywho. It just seems what sound I gravitate towards for my triggered sound is a shorter-depth kick. I tend to use pull an old Ludwig 26x14 with a wood beater out of the sample library when I play onstage.

But when I play for just me, a shallow kick is the way to go.

That's the low end of the O.C.D.P. drums that we had a deal with to sell at G/S..These shells ete aremade over seas not at the shop and sold at G/S..We did that to give the low end D.W.-{ODP}- a run for the money...Mikey

I have played some "real" OCDP drums and they are a night and day difference. I guess I am highly disappointed 'cos I have made a LOT of cheap, Chinese kits sound AMAZING with a head change, sounding much like their upmarket counterparts. I could get a nice, low, fat, yet mellow sound that has enough punch without being ringy with most cheap Chinese kits. This was not the case with the Venice kit. Evans Hydraulic heads couldn't even help these drums!!!

Please take no offense to what I have said, Mikey; however, your brass needs to know what I have said. I hate your low-end stuff as much as I love your high-end stuff.

Since I don't have roadies nor do I make tons of money as a musician, I don't gig with a $4K kit.

I just could never get along with this kit, and it drove me back to older vintage drums. I guess I have OCDP to thank for me getting back into vintage drums.