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I've given up trying to convince any other drummer that "such & such" is better then "such & such." Life is too damn short. Play what you like and be done with it, and the hell with what anybody else thinks. What I get riled about are people who come off like their opinion is the law of the land. Sounds like my old man, the guy who knew everything and tried to tell people how to live their lives. The stories I could tell.

Personally, I like 16" and 18" deep bass drums, but that's just me. My little Crest stencil set with the 14x20 sounds pretty good too.

Posted on 14 years ago
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From bunnyman

I have played some "real" OCDP drums and they are a night and day difference. I guess I am highly disappointed 'cos I have made a LOT of cheap, Chinese kits sound AMAZING with a head change, sounding much like their upmarket counterparts. I could get a nice, low, fat, yet mellow sound that has enough punch without being ringy with most cheap Chinese kits. This was not the case with the Venice kit. Evans Hydraulic heads couldn't even help these drums!!!Please take no offense to what I have said, Mikey; however, your brass needs to know what I have said. I hate your low-end stuff as much as I love your high-end stuff.Since I don't have roadies nor do I make tons of money as a musician, I don't gig with a $4K kit. I just could never get along with this kit, and it drove me back to older vintage drums. I guess I have OCDP to thank for me getting back into vintage drums.

I take on offense to what you said.Yes the Venice sets are crap,but the top end of are drums are the best sounding drums.The player's who play are drums play them both live and in studio...Most drummer's you see on stage -{say they are playing a Tama,Pearl,ete set}- play them on stage then in the studio they play Vintage drums..I should know that for a fact i have rented many vintage drums out to studios in L.A,Ca..Also have a very good friend who's does the same thing The Drum DR..I myself used vintage drums in the studio along with some of the O.C.D.P. drums i have made...It all comes down to the sound you are looking for...Mikey

Posted on 14 years ago
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From MIKEY777

I take on offense to what you said.Yes the Venice sets are crap,but the top end of are drums are the best sounding drums.The player's who play are drums play them both live and in studio...Most drummer's you see on stage -{say they are playing a Tama,Pearl,ete set}- play them on stage then in the studio they play Vintage drums..I should know that for a fact i have rented many vintage drums out to studios in L.A,Ca..Also have a very good friend who's does the same thing The Drum DR..I myself used vintage drums in the studio along with some of the O.C.D.P. drums i have made...It all comes down to the sound you are looking for...Mikey

If I have implied a blanket statement that I don't like ANY of OCDP's offerings, that was not my intent. After re-reading, I actually think you had meant "no offense". But I will not edit my dissertation.

I have borrowed or played an OCDP kit in a few studios and thought they were FAB. This is why I have ended up saying what I have said about what I don't like about the low-end OCDP stuff: it's as bad as your top-end is good. There just is no aspirational aspect to your low-end kits (sound-wise) and it's a firm disconnect from your good stuff. Except they do look really, really good!!! I have to say that the best low-end kits I have played are Pearl and Yamaha. But I don't like their high-end as much as I like your high-end.

I also know that most stage kits are NOT what are played in the studio. This practise goes back a long way. Peter Criss played Slingerlands, not the Pearls he endorsed in the studio back in the day!!! I am quite aware that more than a couple of your endorsers actually use your kits full-time. One of my favourite snare drums is one of yours I picked up in a pawn shoppe a few years back. But it stays in the house when I gig- again- I don't gig expensive drums.

I have said a few times in this thread that I like OCDP's high-end stuff. I said I hate the Venice as much as I love the top-end stuff. Do accept my apology for any misunderstandings on that subject. My object is not to offend anyone; again, I do apologise for any misunderstandings.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From DrumBob

I've given up trying to convince any other drummer that "such & such" is better then "such & such." Life is too damn short. Play what you like and be done with it, and the hell with what anybody else thinks. What I get riled about are people who come off like their opinion is the law of the land. Sounds like my old man, the guy who knew everything and tried to tell people how to live their lives. The stories I could tell.Personally, I like 16" and 18" deep bass drums, but that's just me. My little Crest stencil set with the 14x20 sounds pretty good too.

I am not trying to convince anyone to do anything- I just want to read what others think about my observation on the subject of kick drum depths. I just had an epiphany about how articulate shorter-depth kicks sound compared to the newer, 20" long cannons. Probably, they got it right when they went to 16 or 18".

I always say to play what you like. In the end, if it matches the sound in your head- it's what you should go with.

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 14 years ago
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I couldn't agree more.

The reduced air volume and shorter air column makes the shallower kick feel faster, and is much more articulated than longer kicks. This really comes into play when you at 22" and up. 15" or 16" on an 18" or 20" is OK for me, but over that, many kicks just don't "speak" fast enough for me for fancy footwork.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From jrfrond

I couldn't agree more.The reduced air volume and shorter air column makes the shallower kick feel faster, and is much more articulated than longer kicks. This really comes into play when you at 22" and up. 15" or 16" on an 18" or 20" is OK for me, but over that, many kicks just don't "speak" fast enough for me for fancy footwork.

Eloquent explanation. Thanks!!!

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Personally I like 14" bass drum the most, the original standard sizes are what I tend to gravitate to, I currently own a 16" deep bass drum I've had 18" and 20" deep bass drums, they sounded killer also, but the 14" for me is the stuff! plus I likes big ole booming bass drum 24,"26", 28".Walking

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Shallow! Better attack for what I play. Simple as that really!

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Personally I like the depth depending on the diameter. depth six inches less than the diameter.

so a 14x20 16x22 or 18x24 works for me. I never have gone for 26" kicks ( other than the marching bass that my elementary school paired with a pioneer snare and hihat stand to make a drumset)

16x20 always seemed too dead, a 14x22 is'nt to bad, a little more open.

18x22 is nice to get more boom without lifting your toms too high.

14x24 has way too much of a bongy reverberation for me which I'm shure 14x26 would have also.(keep in mind I use little dampening)

18x24 is by far my favorite bass drum size. problem is unless I'm playing with one mounted tom off to the side (1up 2down). my toms end up sky high.

speaking of tom depths I like the Xtras or square sizes. (9x10 11x12 13x14 16x16ft or 10x10 12x12 14x14 16x16ft)with two inches of seperation between sizes.

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1963 Ludwig Downbeat Champagne Sparkle
1964 Leedy (Slingerland) Blue n Silver Duco
1964 Ludwig Club Date Sparkling Silver Pearl
1966 Ludwig Super Classic Sparkling Silver Pearl
1968 Gretsch round badge modern jazz orange stain
1972 Slingerland 85N Pop outfit Light Blue Pearl
1976 Ludwig Vistalite clear
1981 Gretsch SSB Gran Prix Rosewood
1987 Yamaha Turbo Tour Custom Mellow Yellow
1991 Pearl Export Ferrari Red
Posted on 14 years ago
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From bunnyman

If I have implied a blanket statement that I don't like ANY of OCDP's offerings, that was not my intent. After re-reading, I actually think you had meant "no offense". But I will not edit my dissertation. I have borrowed or played an OCDP kit in a few studios and thought they were FAB. This is why I have ended up saying what I have said about what I don't like about the low-end OCDP stuff: it's as bad as your top-end is good. There just is no aspirational aspect to your low-end kits (sound-wise) and it's a firm disconnect from your good stuff. Except they do look really, really good!!! I have to say that the best low-end kits I have played are Pearl and Yamaha. But I don't like their high-end as much as I like your high-end.I also know that most stage kits are NOT what are played in the studio. This practise goes back a long way. Peter Criss played Slingerlands, not the Pearls he endorsed in the studio back in the day!!! I am quite aware that more than a couple of your endorsers actually use your kits full-time. One of my favourite snare drums is one of yours I picked up in a pawn shoppe a few years back. But it stays in the house when I gig- again- I don't gig expensive drums.I have said a few times in this thread that I like OCDP's high-end stuff. I said I hate the Venice as much as I love the top-end stuff. Do accept my apology for any misunderstandings on that subject. My object is not to offend anyone; again, I do apologise for any misunderstandings.

Yes bunnyman, I meant NO offence to you...Hit the wrong key...I understand what you are saying about O.C.D.P. drums..But i also stand-by what i said.What i like to play live bigger drums made by me at O.C.D.P.In studio smaller drums most are vintage but also a set of O.C.D.P. 14x20,8x10,8x12,14x14,16x16 all are 8 ply with rings adges are cut rounded over like 30's-40's Slingerland radio kings are, i also play snares that i have made at O.C.D.P. ones that were never sold to the public.Ones i just made up like a 9x13 6 ply with rings 8 lugs on bottom 6 lugs on top..Or 6x14 60ply with no rings no holes on side of drum 12 lugs top and bottom..Even a 8x10 snare 8 ply with rings 6 lugs top and bottom and on and on...I will say to me the best sounding snare drums that i have ever used in studio are my 1929/30 Ludwig B/B's they are 4x14.5.5x14,6.5x14 and a 5.5x15....Mikey

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