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Supra snare troubles and questions Last viewed: 46 seconds ago

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That`s a good point. Any bend is a resistance to slip. The pull on the throw shouldn`t have side to side play under tension.

I set snares up according to the design, which many differ. Some wires have plates with two or more knock-outs. The plate on beds too small matters too, that I`ve found.

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Posted on 10 years ago
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From SebCo

I don't think it matters how you attach the cord to the butt end or strainer as long as it is centered and stays put.It's the end plates of the wires where you can influence the sound, for better or worse. Here, Tarrani simply has it backwards.Attached file shows the view onto the snare side, it's self-explanatory I hope. Both end plates/cords should look like the checked pic on the left.

Just for sh*ts and giggles I tried both ways to see the difference. I had two sets of Puresound custom 16 strands snares and put them on two 6.5" deep supras using cords (generic white stuff - haven't received the new Ludwig cord yet):

The correct method (per SebCo illustration) yielded a regular snare sound with a little loose rattle, which leads me to believe I need to buy some new snares. Probably some generic 16-20 strand chrome.

The over the top of the snare clip ("tarrani") method yielded a loss of all snare sensitivity. There was no loose snare rattle, but there was really not much snare sound at all. If sympathetic snare buzz drives you nuts, use this method, there is ZERO buzz from any of the other drums!

The third snare I have set up with Puresound 20 strand blasters secured with plastic clips and it sounds great. This one is tuned higher than the other two, but the reso heads are all around the same. Don't know if it's just that these snares are in better shape or the different design of the end clips on these - there's pitched end clips and non-pitched on the different Puresound wires, but this sounds great.

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Posted on 10 years ago
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All three of the original photos looked to me like you might have them either threaded incorrectly or the snares are uʍop ǝpᴉsdn. But then I am in the Southern Hemisphere, and the photos are small. Different snare sets have different shapes and angles to the bass plate and are designed to be used in different ways. And some have little channels for the strings to occupy.

How tight is your reso head? I have mine fairly tight (70-75 on a Tama Tension Watch).

I run 20 strand Pearl snare wires (but not like the fancy pants one you posted before), but I've also used 40 strand generic (the outer ones were missing when they came to me), and other in between sizes as well. I've never had a problem like you are describing, but I do have sympathetic buzz with some other instruments/tunings. This is on a 1969 Supra.

Posted on 10 years ago
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I'm trying to understand what your dilemma is, but i'm having a hard time comprehending.. However, as someone who does maintenance, clean up, minor restoration, and who has and uses a Supra as well as Ludwig drums, i can only tell you that..

1- Sympathetic buzz is normal and can never be eliminated, whether you tighten or loosen your wires..

2- No amount of switching straps, cords, or snare strands will solve the problem you're having because if i've read correctly, you seem to be getting the same trouble with all your snares, which indicates the problem lies with how you set up your snare drums..

3- I have 4 classic Ludwig snare drums, of all different depths, shell construction, and hardware, some with original strands and cords, some with new ones all around, and i've never had the problem you seem to be describing..

4-I suggest you reassess everything you do when it comes to head tuning, tensioning, throw-off and butt plate adjustment, take apart at least one snare drum, and find a tutorial on Youtube on how to do all of what is required to get a good snare drum sound, and then compare it with the way you do it.. If there's a difference, then you'll know the problem is not your snare drum or it's hardware, but the way you personally adjust your drum..

5- This is just a suggestion, and is in no way implying that you don't know what you're doing.. This is just a personal observation, and i'm simply stating an opinion as to how to go about it..

6- When i started out, i had to figure out everything for myself through trial and error, sometimes with sheer frustration at the fact that for many years i was wrong at doing this or that, but 28 years later things are different..

Now that i know what i'm doing, I still find myself learning things, as i always have, even after 28 years of drumming..

I hope this helps you out in any way, and i would like to wish you good luck on getting your perfect snare drum sound.. :)

Posted on 10 years ago
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It's a little hard to see, but I think you have the snare cords backward. When you run the cord from one side to the other, do it on top and not on the bottom of the snares. That way, when you tension them up, it pulls the snares into the head. The way they are now, when they are tensioned, it 'arcs' the snares, keeping them from making full head contact. Let us know if it works better.

Posted on 10 years ago
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Now that you mention that I've just discovered that with the puresound custom pros you do have to run the cord (side to side) underneath - they have bent end plates. You can't use the strap on the vintage strainers) I'm going to fit this to my supra tomorrow-this time with the cord running across underneath, there's a Chanel running along the plates and looking at it now as it lies on another drum-there is absolutely no wire contact at all on reso head only the 'bent' end plates are touching the head, I will report back tommorow to see if it's any better(I'm having the same problem) Sigh I still think its to do with the drums overtones or something though.......

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Posted on 10 years ago
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I really thought that cord wasn't working with these particular wires there the only ones that you can thread through CORECTLY that don't raise the plates off the skin. I will see.

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Posted on 10 years ago
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Having said that it would be better with thinner cord arrgh! But realy I've never had this much trouble with a snare before. Stand fast JD15...

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Posted on 10 years ago
#38
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I guess it`s preference. I don`t want the wires resting on the head. I don`t need them to. If you think about it, plate wires lose their tension thrown off, but some strainers don`t, they only activate and deactivate the wires. I think.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 10 years ago
#39
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I sat behind a Ludwig kit on display in Guitar Center one time and the snare (Supra) was going illy on me. Only thing I did to stop it was turn the throw knob down while kicking the BD until the buzz was gone. Then hit the drum harder.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 10 years ago
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