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Tell me what is wrong with this Ludwig kit... Last viewed: 44 minutes ago

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From leedybdp

The writer of the original post says that he has a hard time believing that this drum set was a "stock kit". To me, it's like fingernails on the chalkboard whenever someone posts in a drum forum something to the effect that "this assemblage of drums could not possibly be legitimate because it is not pictured in a catalog, and given a name as an official outfit". I think that there's a great likelihood these drums came out of the store stock where the drums were sold or were ordered from Ludwig's warehouse stock.

That sucks that you were offended by my post. I guess I have to be careful with my terminology... by "Stock kit", yes, I did imply a catalog item. But I did also say there's the possibility it was custom ordered, etc.

Basically, my reason for posting and asking the question, was for two reasons. One, because the shop that is selling these is usually insanely overpriced because of the location and I like to validate that the "expert" that works there on that particular day did his homework before listing the item, and two, because I know someone who might have an interest in the kit, and at that price, I think it's fair to question anything I want to know about it including if it was an original purchase all together like that as pictured, or was it put together from pieces acquired from the same time frame. Is the shop going to even know? Is the consignor going to be honest about it when they are looking to unload them? Probably not. That's why I posted it here to get some opinions from the real experts...

,the bass drum is a classic model,and the term downbeat applies to a drum set configuration,like 20/12/14/14.

Yeah, I know that - what I meant was, based on what I have researched on BD sizes, it looked like it came from a parted-out Downbeat kit, if you will..

Kits:
1966 Ludwig Hollywood Gold Sparkle Pearl 12/13/16/22
Star 3pc in Red Glass Glitter (1960's)
Snares:
1959 Ludwig Pioneer Mahogany
60's Ludwig Pioneer Gold Sparkle
60's Ludwig Acrolite (Keystone)
Ludwig/Custom 6.5x14
1960's Bolero (MIJ)
Posted on 11 years ago
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Most of the time the people selling these drums in music stores(or ebay for that matter) don't know jack. I've used this to my advantage many times. When I buy a drum, I asked tons of questions as I have the right too. It's MY money that may be spent & want to be certain of many things when it comes to purchasing vintage drums. This is the very best place to come for information. I'm always learning thanks to the VDF!

Posted on 11 years ago
#12
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If the drum wrap, on close inspection, matches on all drums, if the drum interiors all match, and if serial numbers are from within a couple of years eiher way of each other, there's a good chance that the drums came together as a set. As someone else said earlier in this thread, it really does not matter how these drums came together. They are a drum set that someone played. Just because a drum set is configured exactly like picture in a catalog, that does not necessarily mean that all of the drums came from the factory as the set that you see in front of you. You would need the provenance of the original bill of sale to prove it one way or the other.

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 11 years ago
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The [really, really] small shop I ordered my kit from in 1967 wrote it up as a "Downbeat" but it came with a 16" FT in lieu of the correct 14"x14". I suspect Ludwig was selling anything anyone wanted all the time back then. I never received any pushback while waiting for the order to be fulfilled. The receipt can be seen in my "album" on Flickr:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/30559980@N07/sets/72157629432619022/

Posted on 11 years ago
#14
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I'm new to the forum and want to jump right in, even though Ludwig kits aren't my area of expertize. However I could talk all day about Ludwig snare drums.

The kit you're looking at seems OK to me. The only thing that's wrong with it is it's not a Jazzette. :) but I'm inclined to agree with what others have mentioned about the 2 rail consolettes. I know of the downbeat kits from the late 70's because I used to play on one with the black cortex wrap and those re-rings which I'm not a huge fan of! They're a nice drum though. I think it's over-priced, but go for it if you've got your heart set on it. Listen to your heart, that's what I always do. Actually that's terrible advise, listen to your ear. I mean listen to the drum with your ear. That's what you should always do, listen to drums with your ears. That's my contribution to this post. I hope it has given you food for thought.

Posted on 11 years ago
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One could also say that if you do not have a 4x14 snare drum you do not have a "Downbeat" drum set. So.........all you Ringo OBP guys............., what are you calling your sets with the Jazz Festival snare drums?

As for the BDP kit, looks nice, too expense and I'd probably just use the 13 on the bass drum rail mount (and who knows when I'd get an opportunity to use the bongos?).

Posted on 11 years ago
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