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I think the whole idea of rewrapped kits being less valuable simply because they were rewrapped, is kind of what I like to call circle-jerk logic. Sure, an 'original' kit is always going to have precedence in terms of price over a rewrapped kit. But twice the value? I don't think it's right or fair to price them out that way. I have three re-wrapped kits. The real value is in the drums themselves, not just the coverings. As an example; my late 50's Gretsch round badge kit has Brooklyn factory 3-ply shells with like-new bearing edges. The drums sound killer. There aren't many of these kits out there. My point is; the rewrap job on the drums is perfect, it's in desirable classic, color. (Burgundy) The drums are rare regardless of wrap, so why only 'half' the price of an original?

Maybe I'm just splitting hairs, but if we're talking about rare, vintage kits that have been carefully restored, I say at least two-thirds the price of a nice original if not better. I just don't get the unfair pricing for 'rare and well-restored' kits. For my money, a rare, well-restored kit has 'almost' as much monetary value as an original in not so great condition. Certainly not half, or less, which seems to be the market norm for rewrapped drum kits. Again, as far as I'm concerned, the real value is all in the guts, (shells, edges, hardware,) that's what really counts... not just/only, the suit it's wearing that determines its value.

The market is what it is, I guess and the market dictates price. Something is only worth what somebody else is willing to pay for it. It's just the way of the world. I just think that in some cases, it's unbalanced and unfair. No real $ reward in saving old kits. Great to own and play, but for resale... it's a money-pit. You -never- get back what you put in. You really have to do it out of pure love and the pride you feel in a job well done, a real love for the instrument. Otherwise, you're better off playing the ponies with your money.

My two cents... just felt like a rant.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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Agreed but wadda ya do?

60's Sonor Teardrops & 70s Premier AMs
Sabian
Vic Firth
Remo/Evans

"unless it's vintage, it's just another wooden tube."
Posted on 12 years ago
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> wadda ya do?

Complain to you... which is what I'm apparently doing! LOL

It's just a frustrating thing... I don't think it's fair.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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Yeah, it doesn't seem right, but it's the way it is. Probably started as a "d-bag flipper" maneuver (you know the kind...), and got perpetuated.

I think the term "restored" is not the right word to use for a rewrapped kit. I think "refurbished" hits the tone closer to the mark. For example, a "restored" 1920s Black Beauty is one that has been meticulously gone over with magnifying glass and Q-tips, while a "refurbished" one has been stripped and replated with the throw off replaced with a P-85. If a kit is refurbished with original compnents (hardware, period-correct wrap, etc.) It should be worth more, IMHO...

1970 Ludwig Downbeat
1965 Ludwig Hollywood
1970 Ludwig Jazzette
Posted on 12 years ago
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I agree Purdie. A well known vintage drum enthusiast has said, "at some point it is only plastic." I won't mention his name but you would all know him. I would much rather have a fully restored kit that sounds great and looks spectacular than an original kit that sounded great and looks faded and worn out. I am not saying that I don't like a yellowed WMP, an aged SKB or a silver sparkle that has turned into ginger ale, but I am saying that I don't find trashed wraps all that intriguing. I don't find the allure in the "mojo" of a beat to death 60's kit anymore than I would driving a muscle car that was rusted and faded.

I worked with a guy recently that played a 60's Gretsch kit that was a 20-12-16 that was put together from orphans by Sam Bacco or at least that was what I was told. The drums had been completely refurbed, had a new silver sparkle finish, the kick drum had been converted to a virgin drum and had contemporary spurs installed. They were still Gretsch drums, still sounded great but had been given a new lease on performance life. We can all talk about period correct hardware, but that is just not practical for day in and day out touring.

I have always found it a little interesting how drum restoration doesn't include bring an instrument back to show room quality. Otherwise, we are mostly just drum cleaners and I suppose there is nothing wrong with that. I just find it interesting how re-wrapping a drum can be so looked down upon.

As you said it is what it is and the market will dictate the price. There are a lot of guys that do prefer a fully restored kit. You may just have to wait for the right buyer.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 12 years ago
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I'm going to have to disagree with you guys, the shells themselves are not what's rare, it's the wrap. It's the originality of the whole kit that makes it valueable, anyone can go re-wrap a beat up kit and make it look new, just like a great painter can paint the Mona Lisa as good as the original, but it will never have the same value.

Posted on 12 years ago
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From johnnyringo

I'm going to have to disagree with you guys, the shells themselves are not what's rare, it's the wrap. It's the originality of the whole kit that makes it valueable, anyone can go re-wrap a beat up kit and make it look new, just like great painter can paint the Mona Lisa and make it look as good as the original, but it will never have near the same value.

Understood, but I don't believe that is what we are saying. There are certain wraps that are rare and desirable and that makes their value higher than other of course but at the end of the day, it is the shell that is the heart of the instrument. A great shell that has been well maintained makes a great drum. Rewrapping a beat up MIJ kit only makes for a nice looking MIJ kit. Rewrapping a set of orphan Camco's makes for a fantastic instrument. All John is saying is that the perceived value of a well "refurbished" kit (thanks Caddywumpus) is probably lower than what it really should be. That does not mean we are going to change the market place with a hadful of posts on a single thread; just thinking out loud.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 12 years ago
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Not to be repetitive, but it's all a matter of market economics. It's not that a rewrapped kit is not as good, as an original wrap, or all original kit, just that some folks will pay more for one.

I explain it like this to my students. I'm a food vender in a room full of millionaires and I'm selling pizza by the slice and I have one slice left. Across the room is the steak guy and he's got plenty of steaks and some of the millionaires are buying steaks but several of the rich guys want the last slice of pizza and they get into a bidding war and pay me ten grand for the slice. Is the pizza better than the steak? Maybe, maybe not, but the price they are willing to pay is no indicator of the quality of the pizza, it's an indicator of their ability and willingness to pay, to get what they want, and that's it!

If all the guys who are willing to pay for vintage drums dropped dead tomorrow the bottom would fall out of the vintage drum market. That wouldn't be fair to guys with loads of vintage drums.

1958 Gretsch Kit
1966 Kent Kit
1969 Ludwig Standard Kit
1970 Rogers Power Tone Kit
1970's Ludwig Vistalite Kit
1994 Yamaha Maple Custom
2010 Yamaha Maple Custom
28 assorted snares (including some real crap)
and 1 really nice K Zildjian Istanbul
Posted on 12 years ago
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If an original wrap is beyond repair (fading, cracking, etc), re-wrapping makes perfect sense.

Some will, instead of wrapping will do a Duco finish or natural finish. In any case if it has all it's original or proper hardware, even if it's had edges reworked and insides shellacked until the inside is black by it's previous owners (for good reason) It's still "original" and should be priced accordingly.

I know of no player, ever, that kept his or her kit to factory specs. Factory specs are no guarantee that the drums will sound good. Which is why drummers have always tweaked their kits, to get more out of them or a certain sound. I'd rather buy a vintage kit that has been well played and has the signs of a drummers hand in tweaking than a kit that's restored to showroom new.

Would anyone ever strip down a Stradivarius to new condition?

From mcdrummer

That wouldn't be fair to guys with loads of vintage drums.

What are they hanging on to them for? If they have loads of vintage drums, that in itself should be an indicator that they are asking too much money for the drums. A company does not measure profit by how much inventory they have but by how much inventory they've sold. A lot of inventory means tied up assets in products that have no market value.

Posted on 12 years ago
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Sounds like someone's trying to sell a rewrapped kit.

I wouldn't want one. I like my drums unmolested and original; even if they have age-issues. Maybe just me. But that's the whole point of this "Vintage" thing, anyway. Isn't it?

B

PS - I do like watching what some of you guys do with YOUR rewrap projects, though.

Vintage Drum Fan (Not a Guru)
Posted on 12 years ago
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