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Took a Punt on a Pioneer Last viewed: 4 hours ago

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From Purdie Shuffle

Fayray - Deep and wide snare beds, that's how they made them! The bed is slightly off-center under the strainer, but it will not affect the proper operation of the snares, or the sound. Just don't use those real wide snares on it. Normal 20 or 16 strand snares will be just fine.Tip: Crank the bottom/snare head. Tune the top/batter somewhere between low to mid-range. Slack off the snares until they rattle and then -slowly- tension them up until you get a good even response out of them. If a buzzroll -plays itself- when you try it out... you dialed it in just right! It should be real tone-y/clangy out on the rims and give you a mighty Pop dead center. When tuned right, they are very forgiving of any technical mistakes, the wash from the snares is a thing of beauty. If you can dial in that sweet open sound, here is a little video that shows just one style that is custom made for the open sound/tuning of a Pioneer. (Different snare drum used in the video, but same open sound, I'm talking about.) There are just certain styles of drumming that Pioneers are made for. As Troutstudio said; specific applications.Enjoy!John

Thanks for that. I'll give that a go. With the beds so deep and narrow I noticed the head was quite wrinkled around the beds. Is this normal or will a cranked up new head sit ok?

Andrew

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Posted on 11 years ago
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> Is this normal

With some wide beds it is 'normal'. Won't interfere with the sound of the drum or playability. I hope Mike Layton chimes in, Mike loves Pioneers and plays them regularly. He could give you the 'deep poop' on the drum.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

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Posted on 11 years ago
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I do have a few pioneers. I dig 'em along with the rest. I did run into the deep snare bed issue on a wfl 6 lugger. even with a Ludwig snare side head, it stayed wrinkled unless I super cranked the tension rods on each side of the beds. I ended up putting the original calf slunk side head back on it and no wrinkling. even when it was a bit wrinkled with the Ludwig head, it sounded fantastic.

mike

Posted on 11 years ago
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thanks Mike, that's good to know. So it's a case of the drums being made by real people - some even with drinking problems and poor eyesight it seems:)

Edit: Actually, as the drum is dated Jan 1960 I bet there was a heck of a NY party that year. Could explain the wonky beds

Andrew

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Posted on 11 years ago
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You gotta love 6 luggers when it comes to cleaning, especially when it comes to polishing the nickel plating. No rust on the rods or washers, no pitting on the lugs and the brass hoops are near perfect. Looks really nice and even with the original heads (the batter is date stamped Dec 1959) it sounds pretty funky.

Andrew

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Posted on 11 years ago
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holy smokes that thing cleaned up like new money! wow. I have never seen a batter head stamped. that's very interesting. great job on it.

mike

Posted on 11 years ago
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That one is a stunner! If you ever decide to part with it, I'd like first crack at it! Beautiful snare. The Transition badge has always been my favorite Ludwig badge. The drum came out GREAT.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 11 years ago
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thanks Mike and Purdie.

Purdie - with the shipping cost to me in New Zealand and the shipping back again to you, I doubt it would be worth it. Nice to have one of these in NZ - there aren't many in the wild here.

Andrew

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Posted on 11 years ago
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Excellent job Andrew. What a difference! I mean it was a very nice drum to start off with but you really took it to the next level. You do very nice work. Cool1

Enjoy it!!

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 11 years ago
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ive got a 48-52 wfl 6.5 6 lugger in mahogany. it was one of the prettiest I had ever run across until you scored this one. I can't stop looking at the pics. love it.

mike

Posted on 11 years ago
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