Based on what I have been told here, it appears the drum is probably worth about $600 - maybe a little more if it were being sold by a retail shop.
If you are going on my estimate of $400-$600 and possibly more from a retail shop, I said this before we knew the badge had been removed, with the likelihood of other issues as well. Once a badge has been removed and the originality comes into question, value is greatly affected, often by 50% or more.
Thanks,
Bill
Well, you must have brought it to make money... but $1200? After all you've been told you think it's a badly put on badge at the factory?. It's not 70's as you state in the ebay auction, more likely early 80's. If you're buying drums to sell for profit you'd best do your research before you buy them.
Should have posted the auction link, so here it is...
Ok...I know I'm coming in late to this one, but.......It is an early 1980's bronze supersensitive. The badge was removed by someone yes, and it appears that it was probably to re-clearcoat the shell. These drums are NOT rare by any means. As a matter of fact, they are still being produced by Ludwig. Market value on one of these is about $250 for a very nice one. This one.....$185, tops. How am I basing this one? I just purchased a bronze piccolo snare for $150 and it is near mint!
They sound great, better than a brass black beauty in my opinion, but aren't worth a whole lot on the resale market. I agree with others, best to research before you buy to flip again. Also, the statement of the person you got it from being reliable.....ya, not so much. Sounds like they gots you good!
To all,
I am not trying to have the last word here. I just want to share a few things I have learned.
I have reviewed this drum with Ludwig themselves. There evaluation was as is listed on the eBay sale.
It is a Ludwig drum. The badge is glued on at the factory, and is a practice they continue to this day. The likelihood is that the crimp was missed in manufacturing.
The shell is the one piece used in the 70s Black Beauty drum.
The strainer and muffler were and are still optional additions to the drum and would have been a special order from Ludwig in the early 80s.
You can still buy this drum today brand new from the factory. The cost is $800.00 (A direct quote from the Ludwig Rep)
That being said, the drum is vintage. Maybe not a 1970s badge, but it is an authentic Ludwig snare drum. For some, maybe even most, the drum may not be worth $1200, or even $800. --- To someone it may be.
Similar drums have gone for as much as $1500 in international markets.
So, again, I do appreciate everyone’s input. Truly you do a good service to many people. I am not knocking anyone here or discounting anything that has been said. But, we all know that Ludwig was not consistent with how they built drums or even applied badges. After all they were a company with some manufacturing issues at that time. And so it goes without saying that missing the crimp on a badge was not unheard of. (another quote from the Ludwig Rep)
I am not in this business to deceive or trick anyone. My goal is to be honest, open and someone people will want and trust to do business with. We all have to start somewhere. And I have only been in this business for about 2 years. I have things to learn. I don't think anyone can say they know it all. I certainly don't. And I am bound to make mistakes. I believe we have all done that.
But, enough said about that. I hope I have not angered anyone. We are all humans and we all have our opinions. To me, this is what I believe the value of the drum to be. And if I don't sell it, then I don't sell it. I'll keep it. :) I have no problems with that.
With sincerity and many thanks,
Randy
I`ve never heard of a cut gromet in a factory let alone come out as a error, but ya never know right ?
It`s ugly, and has shadow lines all over it, but I got some oceanfront property in Denver if ya wanna trade !!
To all,I am not trying to have the last word here. I just want to share a few things I have learned.I have reviewed this drum with Ludwig themselves. There evaluation was as is listed on the eBay sale.It is a Ludwig drum. The badge is glued on at the factory, and is a practice they continue to this day. The likelihood is that the crimp was missed in manufacturing.The shell is the one piece used in the 70s Black Beauty drum.The strainer and muffler were and are still optional additions to the drum and would have been a special order from Ludwig in the early 80s.You can still buy this drum today brand new from the factory. The cost is $800.00 (A direct quote from the Ludwig Rep)That being said, the drum is vintage. Maybe not a 1970s badge, but it is an authentic Ludwig snare drum. For some, maybe even most, the drum may not be worth $1200, or even $800. --- To someone it may be.Similar drums have gone for as much as $1500 in international markets.So, again, I do appreciate everyone’s input. Truly you do a good service to many people. I am not knocking anyone here or discounting anything that has been said. But, we all know that Ludwig was not consistent with how they built drums or even applied badges. After all they were a company with some manufacturing issues at that time. And so it goes without saying that missing the crimp on a badge was not unheard of. (another quote from the Ludwig Rep)I am not in this business to deceive or trick anyone. My goal is to be honest, open and someone people will want and trust to do business with. We all have to start somewhere. And I have only been in this business for about 2 years. I have things to learn. I don't think anyone can say they know it all. I certainly don't. And I am bound to make mistakes. I believe we have all done that.But, enough said about that. I hope I have not angered anyone. We are all humans and we all have our opinions. To me, this is what I believe the value of the drum to be. And if I don't sell it, then I don't sell it. I'll keep it. :) I have no problems with that.With sincerity and many thanks,Randy
I'm confused..........you come here and post a question, a whole lot of us that know Ludwigs (probably better than the current reps that are working for Ludwig that supposedly gave you this information) answer your question, then you post this to basically discredit all of our opinions. Why? All just to substantiate the fact that you are asking too much for a drum that has a low market value that has issues?
I don't get it......
I don't understand either.
What I said was that I was not disagreeing with anyone. If you read what I said. I don't know how I could have been more pleasant.
I am not here to get into an argument. Or discredit anyone.
I don't understand either. What I said was that I was not disagreeing with anyone. If you read what I said. I don't know how I could have been more pleasant.I am not here to get into an argument. Or discredit anyone.
I did read it and what I got out of the post was that you checked with some rep at Ludwig and he said that basically everyone on here is wrong and that your drum is worth more than what the market dictates on them.
Honestly, I wouldn't listen to ANY rep at Ludwig who is currently there, as they only really know about CURRENT products. Those guys who work there now, know little to nothing about what the company has made for 100 years, nor do they care. All they care about is the products that they make now, that they can sell to make a profit on.
This is like saying the engineers at GM know everything there is to know about the 1969 Camaro because they designed and built the current Camaro. They claimed they were trying to embody the spirit of the original Camaro in the current one.....well if they knew anything about the original (which they don't) they would have made it look like the original more than a fugly cartoon character of itself.
What am I getting at with this? You are listening to a guy who hasn't got the slightest clue about the vintage market at Ludwig telling you what you want to hear, rather than listening to all of us here who know of what we speak of.
With that said, it's your drum, think what you want of it, and good luck with selling it for the rediculous asking price.
BTW, to answer your original post yet again, YES you were mislead by the person who sold it to you. The drum was grossly mis-represented and I would hardly call the seller you got it from reliable.
Contact Reliable and complain.
Dang, it's good to have you back Luddydude. I've watched this one and have remained on the sidelines 'cause the news was gonna be bad. I don't like delivering those. They tend to fight you when you do. Sure enough, you got it. It was very sweet in the delivery, but you got it. Your response was spot on. I feel bad for this guy. It's hard to swallow a serious loss and we all would desire someone to tickle our ear. The Rep was one masterful tickler, evidently. I've done the same thing. I think we all have at some point in our lives.
