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Anyone who can truly play should have no problem. No need to do anything to your drums.

Brushes work fine on most acoustic tunes, or rods for the out of control rock drummers.

Why would a heavy handed rock drummer be playing on the acoustic sets anyway......".

I played a gig last year in the Keys where they had strict sound control and said they did not want to see a drum set on stage, so this was my remedy. You can even play light crashes with your fingers on the open or slosh hihat.

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Posted on 11 years ago
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This is an interesting question which I've investigated at length. I have been very involved in purchasing and setting up drums for several churches and also for a coffee house with acoustic music. I also play with an acoustic folk/roots music trio. In all cases volume was a huge issue.

Here's what I've found: A full snare hit with rimshot can reach a volume of 120-140db, an average volume snare hit ranges between 100 - 120db, just for reference a gunshot is about 140 db and a jackhammer is between 95 - 125 db, average un-amplified piano volume is between 65-75 db, and an un-amplified vocalist from about 3 ft. can reach 65-75 db.

Your goal should be to reduce average drum volume to between 65 - 95 db with peaks for accents and crashes. (for example hi-hat or ride cymbal, which is sustained should be at 60-70db while snare hits or accent crashes may reach 85-95 db

Use of a clear shield, internal muffling, different heads, Will only effect volume minimally 2-10 db reduction. Hot rods, thunder rods, whips, and other specialty sticks can reduce volume by 10 - 20 db (this is of course dependent on technique ie; full force snare hit with Vic Firth Hot Rods can reach 110 db.)

In our experience only 2 things can reduce drum set volume to a level which will comfortably complement acoustic guitar volume with minimal amplification.

1- Create an entirely enclosed "box" complete with sound absorbing foam sections around the kit. We did this at a church and were able to reduce the volume of a full blown rim-shot to about 65 db and ride cymbal volume to 40 db. We then mic'd drums and had complete volume control for church services. (you will also need to deal with air flow and temperature issues)

2 - Drummer Control! We found that drummers with control can significantly reduce volume, changing heads, using smaller sticks, hot-rods, muffling, will all help a drummer but ultimately asking drummers to learn control can reduce volume by 20-35 db. Also using alternate drums for acoustic music, ie; hand drums, snares off, mallets, shakers, etc can greatly reduce drum volume.

in Conclusion, short of putting your drums in a box, drummer control is the best method for volume control. Anything else will not make a significant reduction in volume.

(Again there are methods of reducing volume significantly but they also change the sound of the drum set completely. Our goals was to keep the drums sounding like drums. An example would be to cover each drum with a towel, or completely fill the bass drum with foam or blankets.)

I think everyone's making the same point; it's the drummer!

That's what I've found.

1958 Gretsch Kit
1966 Kent Kit
1969 Ludwig Standard Kit
1970 Rogers Power Tone Kit
1970's Ludwig Vistalite Kit
1994 Yamaha Maple Custom
2010 Yamaha Maple Custom
28 assorted snares (including some real crap)
and 1 really nice K Zildjian Istanbul
Posted on 11 years ago
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I guess my point is , or was , in a small venue use a plexiglass surround then as long as you are playing the music correctly (whatever type it is) and you are true to that music there is no problems , if the music requires less volume and more finesse than that is what you do , same as with the opposite . their are so many variables to this question is why i said in the beginning to mic the whole thing and adjust the volume to the needs of the venue..... common sense really ,I think, Oh well you get the gist.

Posted on 11 years ago
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Of all those things the biggest fallacy is the plexiglass shield. It really doesn't decrease volume. It redirects sound waves or partially deflects sound waves. It works best with keeping drum sounds from being picked up by open vocal mics or from guitars from bleeding into drum mics. In some cases plexiglass can simply make drums sound worse. If for instance you have a hard surface behind the drums, like cinder block, and you don't seal the drummer in, you just bounce the sound off different walls.

I think the best idea is to put the acoustic guitarist in a plexiglass box! Then let the drummer shred!

1958 Gretsch Kit
1966 Kent Kit
1969 Ludwig Standard Kit
1970 Rogers Power Tone Kit
1970's Ludwig Vistalite Kit
1994 Yamaha Maple Custom
2010 Yamaha Maple Custom
28 assorted snares (including some real crap)
and 1 really nice K Zildjian Istanbul
Posted on 11 years ago
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Or leave him set up in the parking lot.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 11 years ago
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I only own a C-tom kit and volume is what they do. To play soft, The best I can do is hold the sticks as lightly as I can and hope I don`t drop.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 11 years ago
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The plexiglass shield does have one and only ONE good thing about it.

It makes the other people believe the drums aren't as loud. I never figured out how it works, but people swore it cut the drum sound in half in the exact same room.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 11 years ago
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I disagree Ploughman, Those bottles, plates, and cups, bounce off them !i

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 11 years ago
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From OddBall

I disagree Ploughman, Those bottles, plates, and cups, bounce off them !i

Well, there is that. So, it has two good uses.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 11 years ago
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The best way to control volume is called stick control. The harder you hit the drum the louder it will sound. By controlling your sticks you control the volume.

Posted on 11 years ago
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