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From RogerSling

From my place, the best part of playing drums is creating in the moment. Maybe shift your own gears a bit and take his changes as challenges to the creative spirit. It's a blast to do that live. We used to say (it's written in the sleeve of our last cd) that we played rock with jazz sensibilities. We kept everything in the moment. It challenged our skills and kept our focus razor sharp. Just a thought. Perhaps his ever changing arrangements stem from his lack of spontaneous improvisational creation.

I guess I wouldn't mind the changing of the arrangements if we kept building a song list. Rog, we have been together since May and only have eight songs!!!! We spent three hours on guitar solos for one song!!!

I read what you're saying, and I guess my patience is wearing a bit thin. If I weren't friends and collaborators with him (he co-wrote "Riva" with me, my best love ballad as a solo artist), I would have left this project. I can sense the frustration with the bass player/frontman, but he's the "king's" brother-in-law. He's pretty funny about the situation, which makes it not quite as frustrating.

I did tell the leader that we need to thicken our song list before we even change arrangements on the songs. Frankly, he does improve the songs after he messes with them, but re-learning them is a beeyotch!!!

Maybe I need a cover band I gig with and do this project on the side. I gots to pay for some of this gear!!!!

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 13 years ago
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From Musicaldeath

I'll be convinced if... you and your fellow bandmates ate sushi tonightIf not it is just a crazy coincidence hahaa.But yes that jamming thing works for us, and honestly we play our WORST whenever we force ourselves practice a set-list over and over again. Maybe we don't pay attention to our playing when we do, I don't know haha. EG. We played a show last year, and a person in the crowd yelled out a track for us to play. It was never on the list, never practiced for the show. Guess which song we played the best? Something about being loose and off the cuff

Was the sushi made by Koreans?

The worst part is we will jam either over some groove the bass player plays or the lead guitar is riffing/soloing.

We have been playing the set list. But in a phone conversation is where the "king" want to change the arrangement. Arrgh!!!!

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 13 years ago
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From bunnyman

Was the sushi made by Koreans?The worst part is we will jam either over some groove the bass player plays or the lead guitar is riffing/soloing. We have been playing the set list. But in a phone conversation is where the "king" want to change the arrangement. Arrgh!!!!

Place was called Pan Asia so he may have been Korean...

Next time the king gets out of hand while doing a solo, have everyone else change key, and you change tempo. Throw him for a loop (I say this in jest don't want to start a band fight lol)

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62 Slingerland COB Radio King- 5x14
Posted on 13 years ago
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From Musicaldeath

Place was called Pan Asia so he may have been Korean...Next time the king gets out of hand while doing a solo, have everyone else change key, and you change tempo. Throw him for a loop (I say this in jest don't want to start a band fight lol)

Don't tempt me...

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 13 years ago
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The king just wants the band to be perfect... see if you can convince him it will never be perfect, especially if he stops progress.

1973 Slingerland Phantom 13,16,22
Late 30s Slingerland Radio King- 7x14
SJC Custom Snare Pink Sparkle- 8x14
62 Slingerland COB Radio King- 5x14
Posted on 13 years ago
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From Musicaldeath

The king just wants the band to be perfect... see if you can convince him it will never be perfect, especially if he stops progress.

You sure we're not in a parallel universe?!?!?

Yes- he wants everything to fit within his ever-changing mind...

I love him, but I need to give him a good sorting out.

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 13 years ago
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From bunnyman

You sure we're not in a parallel universe?!?!?Yes- he wants everything to fit within his ever-changing mind...I love him, but I need to give him a good sorting out.

I'm not sure of anything HAHAHA

1973 Slingerland Phantom 13,16,22
Late 30s Slingerland Radio King- 7x14
SJC Custom Snare Pink Sparkle- 8x14
62 Slingerland COB Radio King- 5x14
Posted on 13 years ago
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I have some stuff to chew on.

Musicaldeath- thanks for the humour

Purdie- aways a gentleman AND a guy with wisdom

Rogersling- I may have misunderstood you, but I guess you ain't such a bad guy after all...

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 13 years ago
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From bunnyman

I guess I wouldn't mind the changing of the arrangements if we kept building a song list. Rog, we have been together since May and only have eight songs!!!! We spent three hours on guitar solos for one song!!!

Sounds like this guy could use a music program like something from the Sonor X1 line.... He could create the arrangement in the software quickly enough and practice his solo ideas endlessly over it to better figure out the ideas in his head without walking you guys down burnout road.

I did tell the leader that we need to thicken our song list before we even change arrangements on the songs. Frankly, he does improve the songs after he messes with them, but re-learning them is a beeyotch!!!

Also I would have him record the practice session then step away from the piece for a couple of weeks, then come back to it with, hmmm.... a fresher set of ears or a less critical set of ears rather than having him churning the piece over and over for perfection. What he may not realize is that time may give him better perspective on the peice and that the new ideas he is trying to incorporate (or even force in) may be better suited outside of the current piece his is working on and become whole as their own in a new song (rather than endless re-workings... it may allow him to tap into additional creative energy). He may also have to learn that sometimes you just got to let it go... The Bambino didn't hit a homerun everytime he stepped up to the plate!

Maybe I need a cover band I gig with and do this project on the side. I gots to pay for some of this gear!!!!

Wonderful idea... something like this can be quite satisfying no doubt.

Posted on 13 years ago
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Great advice Purdie Shuffler. You have insight close to that of the great philosopher, "Porgie Tierbiter".

All band relationships are tough.

Mine is with my brother.

Good work guys.

SA

BLAEMIRE DRUMS
Thanks to Mr. Jerry Jenkins
Posted on 13 years ago
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