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Roy Haynes, Slingerland Jet, Ludwig Jazzette -coincidence? Last viewed: 0 seconds ago

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I think Roy Haynes was playing Slingerland drums in the early/mid-60's. As rumor has it, around that same time, Roy had purchased a small sports car (an Alfa, perhaps?) Anyway, in order to fit his 18 X 14 bass drum into that car, he started using an 18" floor tom hoop on the front.

In 1964, Slingerland officially released their new "Jet" kit -which, coincidently had an 18 X 14 bass drum with TWO metal floor tom rims. I can only speculate to say that this was inspired by Roy Haynes' personal modification.

But then, somewhere between the release of the Jet kit in 1964 and 1966-7, something happened that caused Roy to jump ship and switch from Slingerland to Ludwig. ($$$$-?) And, also coincidently, that was the year that Ludwig released the Jazzette kit -which had the more "finished" look of a regular bass drum -except that the Jazzette bass drum's depth was reduced from the industry-standard 14" depth, down to its signature 12" depth. But, why?

My thought is that Ludwig did that to accommodate Roy and that the entire "Jet" and "Jazzette" kits were both specifically built because of him. Even the names "Jet" and "Jazzette" are similar! I think it all boiled down to Roy getting a smaller bass drum to fit his car!

Could it be that Bud Slingerland and Bill Ludwig were that competitive during that time? I think.....YES!

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Posted on 13 years ago
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Hmm...never thought about that.....I always understood that Ludwig used the 12x18 shell that they used for marching quads and bass drums. They had it lying around already so why not use it? But the Roy Haynes connection makes for an interesting tale too! :D

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Well, this still could have been a "kill two birds with one stone" concept that seemed to pervade Ludwig's sense of practicality. "Waste not, want not!" -meaning that, if they already had the shells, then maybe finding a new application of them to entice Roy Haynes away from Slingerland was just the thing.

It's just a theory that's been bugging me. I'd love to be able to pick Roy Haynes about this subject. Anyone have contact information on him or his management? I've had no luck so far.

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[IMG]http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/catalogs/slingerland/1964_slingerland_6.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/jazzette/1967_LUDWIG_large.jpg[/IMG]

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sorry about the large size pix.

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alrighty then

don't know what I was thinking.

carry on

Chewie:

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Posted on 13 years ago
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Hey, the large size pics are great!

I remember BOTH of those sets, but never even thought about any possible "connections." Just thought it to be "regular" competiveness...

Bill
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Posted on 13 years ago
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Yes, indeed. Competitiveness is the key word.

I think the essential element to connect the two kits is the story about Roy and his sports car. HE was the one who "invented" putting the metal floor tom rim on the front of the bass drum. Shortly after that, Slingerland came out with the Jet kit which mirrored Roy's own, personal modification. But then, within a year, Roy switched to Ludwig and that coincided with the release of the Ludwig Jazzette. And Roy Haynes is pictured with the Jazzette in an early endorsement ad, too. So his connection to that Ludwig configuration is direct. Coincidence?

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[IMG]http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/jazzette/roy67.jpg[/IMG]

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And here is an ad that came out in the early 60's:

[IMG]http://www.redstonecollectiblesonline.com/media/2d/a207929131b5062fa0dabe_m.JPG[/IMG]

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