I'm a communications major, and I find that effective communication takes place when there is a shared meaning with regard to terminology, and when there is no shared meaning then conflict and confusion may arise.
Obviously this is not always possible but I thought this would be the place to discuss it and try to better understand what is meant by the term "vintage".
There's the problem, right there!
and I find that effective communication takes place when there is a shared meaning with regard to terminology
...like when my wife and I both agree on the meaning of the word "spaneaute"
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I'LL PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT I'M SAYING!!!
I like your moxie.
but I thought this would be the place to discuss it and try to better understand what is meant by the term "vintage".
What did we learn...........
You can't force a drummer to think and you certainly shouldn't expect any unpaid group of musicians to agree on anything.
...nice attempt, though.
flower ;)
Thanks, I tried.
I still love to play my "vintage" 1999 Sound Percussions! lolD' Drummer
we need a standard for Drums!Then we can begin working on Hot Wheels, and banana bikes!
they both have a 20 page hand book on definitions... Let's not start that...
I like the "if they are old and you like them" standard.
and again, "old" is a very personal term.
they both have a 20 page hand book on definitions... Let's not start that...I like the "if they are old and you like them" standard.and again, "old" is a very personal term.
I guess my wife is vintage according to that def. (sure glad she doesn't read these posts)
P.S. Celebrated 27 years Saturday, and she let me play a gig on our anniversary without complaint.
they both have a 20 page hand book on definitions... Let's not start that...I like the "if they are old and you like them" standard.and again, "old" is a very personal term.
Happy Anniversary, mc!
Not to get too OT, but I still have my Hot Wheels.
My banana bike was a modal called "The Chopper". Tiny front wheel. Anybody remember them?
OK, back to drums and drummers.
Happy Anniversary, mc!Not to get too OT, but I still have my Hot Wheels.My banana bike was a modal called "The Chopper". Tiny front wheel. Anybody remember them?OK, back to drums and drummers.
Thanks Man
Just to trying to keep On topic; I played in a band with kids from my street in the late 60s and early 70s I had a Dixie drum set in those days and the sax player who lived accross the street from me (by the way he went on to tour and do arrangements for Buddy) he had one of those Chopper bikes in purple.
Did it have a 5 spd. stick shift on the column? I was really envious.\\
Candy Green, like the Pearl drums I once had (on topic :)
Best bike I ever had. Lent it to someone and that was that.
Yeah, 5 speed shifter on the console.
OK. I said in an alternative thread, ‘semantics aside’ – but let’s put this issue to bed once and for all: What is Vintage?
It doesn’t, as is commonly believed, mean ‘quality’ in the wine industry; although it does derive from viticulture: namely, vindemia, meaning ‘to take off the vine’, and colloquially becomes the year of production.
So, vintage literally means ‘the year the item was produced’; I am sure you are all familiar with the term ‘an exceptional vintage’? Well, that is precisely where it comes from.
None of this helps the drummer’s issue though, does it? The reason for that is because, etymologically, we have misappropriated the term ‘vintage’. This is why no one can settle on a universally acceptable definition.
Back in the early nineteen-seventies, the elder-statesmen of the percussion world began to bemoan the passing of what they considered to be superior quality manufacturing, and, concomitantly, sound. It was then common knowledge that ‘round badge’ Gretsch drums or pre. CBS Rogers, for example, were a breed apart from the contemporary offerings in terms of sound quality. They sought out these vintages with the intention of playing them, entirely because of said superior sound. I hasten to add that, almost without exception, none of these players were involved in the Rock or Pop industries, and had precious little time for the young whippersnappers currently playing the day’s fashionable offerings, and co-incidentally, taking their gigs off them. Alongside this was the interest of a select few that extended to what could only be classified as antique curios, such as Leedy, W.F.L. or Ludwig & Ludwig. For the most part, they never had any intention of playing these drums, they were purely collector’s items; although, inevitably, many ignored the destructive elements of performance and took them out on the road. And that, Gentlemen, is it. Not So Modern Drummer appeared to cater to the cravings of this esteemed group of players, along with a similar periodical in the UK; and this fraternity of like minded individuals commandeered the term Vintage to encapsulate the objects of their attentions, in the same way as the automobile aficionados initially used it to refer to cars made between 1919 and 1930. So originally, it was all about sound, or curiosity value; although inevitably, the finish of these drums exemplified their character and became synonymous with their value. Consequently, if we are going to continue to employ the term ‘Vintage’ on the basis of its original adoption, then we must, strange as seems to me, consider Yamaha RCs or CBS Rogers along with DeQueen Gretsch as vintage if we believe they posses distinctive and superior sound qualities. Furthermore, and to me, equally strangely, curiosities from the Far East must be accepted as antiques and given shelter under the common canopy of our colloquial ‘Vintage’. Equally valid would be the prediction that Noble & Cooley, for example, will one day soon enjoy the ‘Vintage’ moniker if we are to continue to employ the term on the basis of its original espousal. I look forward to your slings and arrows.
