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Not trying to sound like an expert but we all struggle with , not attaining the skill level that we expect of ourselves. Here are some thoughts about practice.

You are excercising(training) your brain as much as your muscles, so rhythmically, it doesn't matter , too much what is under your stick. The idea, is to get your muscles toned and communicting with the brain as a unit. Practice strokes in your head----once your brain has them, your muscles will fall into line.

On-line lessons might be of some value but the problem with them ,though, is, there is no rapport. It's all technique ,so it is good for individual skills but not really as a set of lessons. I do like listening to Jim Chapin. He is great at breaking down , stick method.

None of the great drummers or any drummers of the past had the benefit of the internet. I can't see that it would have helped them much, really.

That said, some of them did take lessons and in today's world, those are expensive, so take note of the individual skill segments on the internet and practice them,---- even if in your head, only because that is at least half the battle. We all progress at different speeds in everything and there shouldn't be any expectations of performance on anybody,---relaxing about that is important.

There is something unique about playing kit drum when compared to playing most individual static percussion instruments. Each of those requires technique , unique to it and most of that technique does not require much Y movement( with a nod to mallet instruments etc.). Playing the snare drum for instance, requires a lot of X movement but in transiting from the snare drum to the floor tom , there is a lot of Y movement. That transit discombobulates the brain and so, also discombobulates the entire effort.. Brain practice is the key to moving around the kit with fluidity.

Posted on 12 years ago
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This is a good snare drum method book: The Rudimental Cookbook. check the link.

http://www.rowloff.com/BooksFolder/RC.html

I dont know if you can read music or not, but this book has every rudiment known to man. It is also full of solos from very easy to very difficult.

In no way should you give up! Between Youtube lessons and books there is enough to keep you going.

When I was starting out on a drum kit, I would sit down and turn on the radio on any channel I liked (or didnt like... to keep it interesting), put the headphones on, and play along to what ever song comes on next. Doing this helped me become diverse in different styles of music. Play along to rock, country, tejano, classic country, etc.. Have fun with it!!

Nowadays, you can do this with a computer and Youtube. Bring a laptop next to the computer and play along to whatever you like!

-Justin

"People might look at you a bit funny, but it's okay. Artists are allowed to be a bit different."- Bob Ross

"After silence, that which comes closest to expressing the inexpressible is music..." - Aldous Huxley
Posted on 12 years ago
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Jeff, I am heading to the QC for Christmas. I have an old 4pc Remo practice pad set I can give you. You are welcome to it free of charge if you want it. That will help expand your playing time into the quiet hours. You can pm me or send me an email to work out a time and place to meet up. Bobby

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Don't give up! Just learn some simple grooves. Go to local jam sessions and listen to the other drummers. Get to know the ones that groove behind the band without alot of fills and solos. Talk about playing, have them show you how they do some of the stuff. When you feel ready try playing at the jam sessions. Just concentrate on grooving, listen to the bass player. It'll fall into place as you get more comfortable. Good luck ang keep on grooving!

Posted on 12 years ago
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I'm lucky if I get to sit down on the kit once a week and I play in a band!

Keep up the practicing, you're getting better, you just don't realize it. Some people learn and develop faster than others, also if you're an older dude like me, it's just about keeping up with what you know.

I have few suggestions:

#1. Have a quiet practice pad near your home or work phone, if you are talking on the phone, gently tap single and double strokes when talking. Sounds easy, but when you can do it and nobody hears you when you are talking and it doesn't interupt they manner in which you speak, you've accomplished something.

#2. Sounds stupid and you'll get looks, but I have a pair of sticks that I hit on the steering wheel when I'm stopped at a traffic light. DON'T DO THIS WHEN DRIVING!!

#3. Incorporate rudiments into a very slow groove or fill. Two things happen, you learn what the rudiment sounds like in different applications and you're learning the rudiment at the same time.

#4. Whatever you weakest hand is (the opposite of the one you use primarily) start your rudiments with that hand, THEN do a set with starting with your primary. This builds strength and you're only as good as your weakest hand.

#5. I was getting bored playing simple grooves in my band, so I switch to open handed playing and on others songs went to using a traditional grip. Trust me, doing fast fills with being a matched grip guy then doing it with traditional is a challenge. I always was a matched grip guy, but I thought traditional looked cool and plus it strengthened my weak link.

#6. Last and most important, don't make it a chore. MAKE IT FUN! Practice should be educational, but fun. I always have a rudiment chart in front of me when I practice on a pad, I'm just learning all of these and can't remember them all.

Its better to have people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and prove them wrong, unless you doubt yourself then speak away....
Posted on 12 years ago
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Jeff,

You have gotten a lot of great advice already...play on a pillow, check out YouTube, etc. I strongly encourage playing along with what you like. I didn't take a lesson for the first 7 years I played. When I started out, I would put the headphones on and play along with my favorite bands. I was playing in a garage band with some other beginners and we just had fun together, but we learned a lot. So, playing with other musicians is key also.

I felt the same way you do many times the first several years, and especially for the few months I took lessons - I can't afford lessons anymore, but I liked the idea of once a month. You just get frustrated at how long it takes to pick up on things. I've been there...many times.

Two things I learned from lessons that really helped me out was the 6-stroke roll (rllrrl lrrllr) - yeah, I didn't know that on at 7 years in - and the paradiddle triad. My teacher taught me to do two sets of straight paradiddles (rlrr lrll rlrr lrll), two sets of inverted paradiddles (rllr lrrl rllr lrrl), and two sets of reverse paradiddles (rrlr llrl rrlr llrl). So, sped up, that looks like:

rlrrlrllrlrrlrllrllrlrrlrllrlrrlrrlrllrlrrlrllrl. I hope that makes sense. If not, shoot me a PM and we can talk about it. That one really opened my playing up a lot...after I worked on it for a while.

Also, Gregg Bisonette is a great drummer, clinician, teacher, etc. I bought his DVD "Musical Drumming in Different Styles" and highly recommend it. He basically shows you tricks from lots of different styles. It's pricey, but worth it, in my opinion.

Keep at it, Jeff!

Lynn

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Posted on 12 years ago
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From SlingerLynn

I strongly encourage playing along with what you like. I didn't take a lesson for the first 7 years I played. When I started out, I would put the headphones on and play along with my favorite bands. I was playing in a garage band with some other beginners and we just had fun together, but we learned a lot. So, playing with other musicians is key also.

+1 on these two key points.

Trying to cram all those paradiddles and ratamacues (or, whatever they're called) into your brain is about as fun as having poison ivy in an insulation factory. Playing along with your fav music is waaaaaaay more fun. It's also kinda' like having that band's drummer as your instructor (kinda'). It helps develop your sense of time and your ear.

Also, playing with other beginners or intermedite players is essential. I've witnessed guys that were technically proficient by themselves, but when you put those guys in a band, they "was" lost. Pushing or pulling the tempo and sooo much over-playing, not coming back to the one in time. Blech. Additionally, I'm not so sure you can develop feel and emotion for music, whilst reading from a book (not that all those rudiments aren't important), but maybe don't focus so hard on them.

You gotta have fun first, especially since you're starting later in life. With time, the other stuff will come. Don't take the enjoyment out of it.

Lastly, you know you can't quit......none of us can.

All the Best,

B

Vintage Drum Fan (Not a Guru)
Posted on 12 years ago
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From Legacy drummer

Jeff, I am heading to the QC for Christmas. I have an old 4pc Remo practice pad set I can give you. You are welcome to it free of charge if you want it. That will help expand your playing time into the quiet hours. You can pm me or send me an email to work out a time and place to meet up. Bobby

Bobby, that is a very generous offer. That would be a good thing to have around, I only like to play when I am the only one home. When my daughter come's home for break I hardly play at all. Thanks so much, I will pm you soon.

As for all of the other responses,,,, I wont give up, I have too many drums and love it too much to "give up" I just have been frustrated lately and feel I need to do something different.

As far as playing along with records, I did that when I was starting out 38 years ago and it did help. I have tried it now and just cant sem to figure out what the drummer is doing, but I will give it a go again.

Playing with other musicians, sure would love to do that. I have been asking some guys but there all too busy. I know this is a good way to learn, I did that for a few years with some buddies but it never developed into anything good, just an excuse to party.

You guys have given me the inspiration and advice I was looking for. Again, what a great forum this is. How nice to take 10 minutes to make this thread then get all of this great advice from nice guys from all over the world, it just awsome! Thank you so much, I will read through this thread over and over.

If I had a way to make a video, I would make one of me playing and post it. Then you guys could see just how bad I am right now.

Jeff C


Thank you!
Jeff C

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Jeff - I can almost see what you're doing wrong without having to see you playing. A little lesson through the Internet if I may...

You need to relax your grip and let the sticks do all the work. Think in terms of 'dribbling a basketball.' When you dribble the ball, all you're really doing is keeping the natural bounce going by tapping the ball at the top of the bounce. Same thing/concept with drum sticks.

The drum stick needs to be gripped lightly (like holding a live canary) with two fingers (between the pad of the thumb and second joint of the forefinger - or second finger which is what I use.) About 1/3 of the way down the stick (from the butt end,) is the perfect balance point on the stick. It's called the 'fulcrum'. Move the stick up and down in your hand until you find it/feel it. Holding it lightly with two fingers, allow the stick to swing up and down in your hand freely. If the stick doesn't rock up and down easily, open up/loosen, your grip until it does. Note: The back/butt end of the stick should be moving freely in your hand! If you're holding the stick so tightly that the butt end is not swinging up and down freely with each stroke... your grip is too tight! Bad grip will ruin anybody's enjoyment of drumming because the faster you try to go/play, the tighter/stiffer you become.

It should be the other way around! The faster you play, the more relaxed you need to be. Watch this video. Pay particular attention to the drummers hands. The sticks are doing -all the work-. His hands are barely moving during fast rolls, but the sticks are flying. Again, like dribbling a basketball, tap the stick back down at the top of the stroke and the momentum will continue on its own.

Watch the hands! Watch how he uses the natural -rebound- of the stick. Notice the free movement of the back of the stick. It's not frozen in his hand forcing the wrist to do all the work. It's all in the grip, finding the fulcrum and using the natural rebound. The rest is tapping the stick with your fingers.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfibLdZmMng[/ame]

Wish I was closer to you. All you need is a good coach to get you started out right. Tommy Igoe has an excellent video out called: Great Hands For Life. Get it. It'll make drumming and practicing fun for you again.

John

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Jeff glad to hear your going to stick with it. You WILL get better. Play the best you can with the songs you like. It doesn't matter if it's exactly the same. I have some drum time set aside and other times I play rudiments on the mouse pad when I'm on the computer. It's a great practice pad. :D Some people are naturals and things come to them easy. I'm the opposite and struggle to learn sometimes. Years ago I used to jam with my cousin. He played guitar and it was just the 2 of us and we'd jam for hours on all types of progressions. He played his Telecaster and Martin 12 string. It was great fun. You don't need a full band to jam and have some fun.

Try messing with some paradiddles. Right hand plays the hats or ride, left on the snare. Once you get it down add some bass drum beats to it and work it from there.Then try some fills around the kit. Always a fav of mine and pretty easy. I'm still a terrible drummer. But I have fun. John Purdie posted some linear groove stuff a while back with some you tube vids. I've been working on them for months and they still kick my azz. But geting there. I also have carple tunnelram and my hands go numb. x-mas3 I wear gloves that help it.

Lots of GREAT advice from everyone. I learn a lot from you tube vids too. Hang in there Brother!!! I know you will. YES you have too many drums to give up now. x-mas3

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 12 years ago
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