At the risk of fanning the flame war, I'd just point out to Slingalud that the source about my very specific and, at best, parallel story about the stray LA Camco shells and hardware was the owner then (and now) of the Drumstick shop in Copenhagen, Denmark that put these PJ Drums together. The source (he said) of the shells and the hardware was Gon Bop - if these came via Camco or from the (at that time) new purchasers DW (who, you may be aware, used Gon Bop timbale shells for their early brass snares) I couldn't say. But I'm guessing the guy was just imparting some fairly specific knowledge and not trying to obfuscate the history of this minor drum company. And as he pulled out a couple of drums worth of lugs and other rare Camco parts and emphemera, I'm guessing he may have been telling the truth. I'd just also state that while Harry Cangany's book seems to be a wealth of knowledge on many brands, the Camco section has more than a few inaccuracies, amongst them that all Oaklawn Camco shells were painted white inside (only wrapped drums were painted white inside), that the oval badge was used from 1962 and that Rogers parts were fitted in the factory (which the general consensus from dealers from around the time seems to confirm didn't happen). Watching his buying patterns on ebay from some years back it looks like he started buying Camco after the book was published which might account for it.All this a bit irrelevant if the person who asked the question has already left the building but I thought I'd make my last comments crystal clear.Photos would've been nice. A science-based approach seems best.

At the risk of fanning the flame war, I'd just point out to Slingalud that the source about my very specific and, at best, parallel story about the stray LA Camco shells and hardware was the owner then (and now) of the Drumstick shop in Copenhagen, Denmark that put these PJ Drums together. The source (he said) of the shells and the hardware was Gon Bop - if these came via Camco or from the (at that time) new purchasers DW (who, you may be aware, used Gon Bop timbale shells for their early brass snares) I couldn't say. But I'm guessing the guy was just imparting some fairly specific knowledge and not trying to obfuscate the history of this minor drum company. And as he pulled out a couple of drums worth of lugs and other rare Camco parts and emphemera, I'm guessing he may have been telling the truth. I'd just also state that while Harry Cangany's book seems to be a wealth of knowledge on many brands, the Camco section has more than a few inaccuracies, amongst them that all Oaklawn Camco shells were painted white inside (only wrapped drums were painted white inside), that the oval badge was used from 1962 and that Rogers parts were fitted in the factory (which the general consensus from dealers from around the time seems to confirm didn't happen). Watching his buying patterns on ebay from some years back it looks like he started buying Camco after the book was published which might account for it.All this a bit irrelevant if the person who asked the question has already left the building but I thought I'd make my last comments crystal clear.Photos would've been nice. A science-based approach seems best.

Harry Cangany researched his book as most authors do and they don't always have verified information and often fill in the blanks. On the Roger's hardware being installed at the Camco factory, we do have 1st hand testimony. Dave Kinsman, studio musician and full time drummer for Illwind stated when he ordered his 69/70 Oaklawns they refused to install any aftermarket hardware so he purchased it at the drum shop where he ordered his set and they, the store clerks installed it. In his own words...Also the 3rd 24" winged badged Oaklawn to surface without re-rings. post and history was about a year ago or so? I take that before an author who had over a dozen inaccuracies in is book!

It seems your comparing testamony and expertise,with hearsay evidence of a drummer,very few,if anybody has heard of..I have never heard of Dave Kinsman or Illwind.I have however, heard of Harry Cangany,Rick Van Horn and Ron Spargnardi.I'll take their word concerning this Camco/Rogers hardware story,as the accurate version.Lets not forget Ben Strauss that verifies this information also.Steve B