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From funkypoodle

Since this thread has gone sideways anyway let me add that Krupa, Rich, Blaine, Palmer Purdie, Muhammad, Ringo, Wilson,Moon,Wood, Peart and Copeland (among others) are all magnificent drummers. Also Camco, Ludwig, Rogers, Slingerland and Gretsch (among others) have produced mind boggling drums. I like to have time to forget gear and songs and then fall back in love with them when the timing is right. At that precise moment the snare or the drummer is the "best".

Amen brother....

Wayne

1967 Rogers Cleveland Champagne Sparkle
20,16,13,13.
1967/68 Rogers Dayton Champagne Sparkle
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1966 Rogers cob 7 Line Dynasonic Snare.
1967 Rogers "Humberto Morales" Timbales.
1980 Ludwig B/O badge 14x 6.5 Black Beauty Snare.
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1988 Sonor "Horst Link" HLD 590 14x8 Bronze Snare
Posted on 11 years ago
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So I just finished a festival today with 12 bands. I brought my usual allotment of snare drums by Ludwig, Yamaha, Pearl, Spaun, World Max, etc. About 20 snares in all. Of the bands that played, two drummers brought their own snares, I tricked one drummer into using my 6.5" Blaemire (which he loved) and another into playing my 6.5" World Max with stick choppers. Otherwise, every other drummer opted for my Black Beauty. It is a great snare and extremely versatile.

As to opinions, Kook, you just have to stop ending sentences with the word "period". That is a very poor debate skill and leaves no room for other opinions. Ringo didn't inspire Limeys while Dennis inspired American kids. Ringo and the Beatles inspired the entire western world. That is the way it happened and why does that require an argument?

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 11 years ago
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From tnsquint

So I just finished a festival today with 12 bands. I brought my usual allotment of snare drums by Ludwig, Yamaha, Pearl, Spaun, World Max, etc. About 20 snares in all. Of the bands that played, two drummers brought their own snares, I tricked one drummer into using my 6.5" Blaemire (which he loved) and another into playing my 6.5" World Max with stick choppers. Otherwise, every other drummer opted for my Black Beauty. It is a great snare and extremely versatile. As to opinions, Kook, you just have to stop ending sentences with the word "period". That is a very poor debate skill and leaves no room for other opinions. Ringo didn't inspire Limeys while Dennis inspired American kids. Ringo and the Beatles inspired the entire western world. That is the way it happened and why does that require an argument?

Well with all due respect, millions of people buy Toyota's because they know and trust them. Doesn't make them the best car by a very long shot. Speaking for myself, I can make any snare drum sound pretty good because I can play and I practice. This topic was obviously a fishing expedition by a bored member (not The Chairman) As Funkypoodle so eloquently stated - any drum; in the hands of the top level of drummers; can be 'the best' on any given day. But when I hear people dis Ringo I always think 'they didn't get it'. If you did get it, it's a beautiful thing. Drummers however have moved on in a purely physical and technical way since then. Jojo and Langer are the reflection of the work done by all the greats; adding to the collective muscle memory of the instrument. They play faster, with a much deeper comprehension of odd time signatures; than many of the past great drummers would have understood. This is the nature of evolution. Does this make them 'better' than Hal Blaine? Obviously not. Hal, musician that he is, would chuckle at such comparisons. Every good player has their own voice. I am always looking for my voice, because your voice stays (hopefully) after your chops leave. My voice has little to do with the drums I happen to be playing at any given moment. $00.02

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Posted on 11 years ago
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From troutstudio

Well with all due respect, millions of people buy Toyota's because they know and trust them. Doesn't make them the best car by a very long shot. Speaking for myself, I can make any snare drum sound pretty good because I can play and I practice. This topic was obviously a fishing expedition by a bored member (not The Chairman) As Funkypoodle so eloquently stated - any drum; in the hands of the top level of drummers; can be 'the best' on any given day. But when I hear people dis Ringo I always think 'they didn't get it'. If you did get it, it's a beautiful thing. Drummers however have moved on in a purely physical and technical way since then. Jojo and Langer are the reflection of the work done by all the greats; adding to the collective muscle memory of the instrument. They play faster, with a much deeper comprehension of odd time signatures; than many of the past great drummers would have understood. This is the nature of evolution. Does this make them 'better' than Hal Blaine? Obviously not. Hal, musician that he is, would chuckle at such comparisons. Every good player has their own voice. I am always looking for my voice, because your voice stays (hopefully) after your chops leave. My voice has little to do with the drums I happen to be playing at any given moment. $00.02

This is why my tone with the kookster has been at the manner it has been. He has no interest in real history, Only in stating his opinion and totally one sided at that. I am out of trying to help this immature kid out any longer, Just a troll on his phishing journey.

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 11 years ago
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From kookadams

Ok then how come I see/hear COUNTLESS drummers prefering rogers-gretsch and camco rogers? And drummers that played ludwig used rogers swivo hardware and rogers had the best shells? How ya explain that//

I prefer primarily Camco drums but the Ludwig snare drums over all smoke most of the competition, including the Jazz Fest and Acrolite.

The blue blooded Ludwig Black Beauty is like the Samuri Sword of snare drums and every drum company out there has tried to duplicate it. Tsquint summed it up when he said his BB is requested more than all the others combined.

Posted on 11 years ago
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commercial success the beach boys 5 number 1 hits, the Beatles 27 number 1 hits

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 11 years ago
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From vintagemore2000

The loon didn't think Dennis was the bees knees He thought the Beach Boys was. Funny you would use Moonie as your poster child, considering that one post you made About, American musicians are far better than any British musicians. And doing a great deal of back pedaling here ole boy..would you like me to copy and paste some of your rants about the Beatles, Ringo, and Ludwig there are many !!! I was alive when this all happened you weren't. The Beatles made a far bigger impact than the Beach Boys did. it just is the way it is, your ranting will not ever change that. one group is not better than the other, they both had and have their place. Loved and love them both, To address one of your misinformed comments, the drummer that sold more Camco's was actually Doug Clifford. not Dennis Wilson.

And that's a fact. Doug Clifford and especially Jim Gordon..

Posted on 11 years ago
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I wonder how many people want a 6.5 Supra because it is the "MOST recorded snare drum" in the world? or is it just because Bonham played one? Same for the mystical prowess of the Black Beauty. How many want to play the BB because of how good it is vrs how many want to have one because they never had one? How many hate the Dyna-Sonic because of how incredibly finniky it is to dial in, when in reality it is one of the simplest mechanisms to set up and operate? The only way to get it wrong is to be too tight. Once a person gets into top line stuff, it is hard to go wrong. Beach Boyz vrs Beatles? come on man. That's a no brainer. The Beach Boys didn't see FM radio until there was an oldies station.

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http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 11 years ago
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I would absolutetly agree that the "mystique" of a Black Beauty is in it's name and the hoopla surrounding it. Regardless, a Black Beauty is indeed a great drum. There may be other drums that might work a little better for a particular drummer in a particular situation, however, a BB is almost always a good choice. To me it's like an SM58 as a vocal mic. There may be better mics out there, but in a pinch a 58 will always work. The BB is the "Swiss Army Knife" of snare drums.

Just to be clear, in my situation with festivals, I give drummers a lot of cymbal and snare drum options and any combination of 10-12-14-16 toms. Most drummers feel really pressured to make a decision as the clock is always ticking. I have found that many drummers are not very knowledgeable about gear so all of those snare drums are a bit overwhelming and when they see a Black Beauty, they know what that is. I am sure that the one drummer that picked my World Max snare picked it because it looks like a Black Beauty and the BB was in use on stage. The drummer that I convinced to use the Blaemire snare used it because he didn't see the BB and I asked him what kind of snare sound he liked. He said he liked a lot of crack but still a lot of body. I handed him the Blaemire and he loved it. Heck, not one drummer used a wood shell snare all day.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 11 years ago
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Im not trying to debate something dictated by mass media- rolling stone, mtv etc. Masses buy into whatever mediocrity thats shoved down their throats. Quantity vs quality. The beatles being the quantity of what the media latched onto after the depression of the kennedy assassination, and the beach boys being the quality known for what it was and is. Stating something that some are afraid to even if its obvious doesnt make a pundit a "troll" or phishing scam. We can play the copout game with anything but its pointless and not my intent.

Posted on 11 years ago
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