Here's the drum in question.

Well, at least that's not a Hammered Bronze Supra... (Not that you said so, relayer, but since that's what I was talking about in my post in the beginning of this topic.)

/Magnus

If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck...

How much is he asking? (If I may ask.) I just imagine it's a lot. I've been at this for more than 50 years, that's the -first- bronze keystone Supraphonic I've ever seen.

John

Looks like aged brass to me. It also looks like the surface area right around the tone knob is pushed in a bit. Which I believe isn't that uncommon to happen with brass snares considering how soft brass is. And I don't think bronze would dent quite like that. But then again, I'm no metallurgical scientist...and my screen color could be off.

+1 on the aged brass. Bronze ages to a less-yellow, more-reddish hue.

Also note that the badge has no serial (that I can see) and the tone

control appears to be an early 3/4" knob version. It would be helpful to

know what strainer (P-83?) it has.

The center bead looks larger to me than a garden variety Supraphonic

so I'm guessing that it's a welded-shell Super in brass.

We'll know when the OP is able to see the drum in person, huh?

Whichever it turns out to be, it's a nice drum.

MW

Lacquered brass Super Ludwigs were a catalogued item in the early 60s. I've only seen 1 other. Nice and VERY desirable drum.

Supraphonic 401. Lacquered brass. Beautiful drum!

From the 1960 Ludwig catalog: http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/ludwig_snaredrums/1959_LUDWIG_SNARES1.jpg

Cool drum. I noticed this last week, while looking through the catalogs and thought, "I've never seen one of these Super-Ludwig drums".

... and now I have. ;)

Thanks for sharing. I hope you can work out a deal with the seller.

-Tim

I've known the seller for a long time via the internet. He's offering me the drum for a pittance. I on the other hand, feel I should pay him for what it's worth. Over at DFO price suggestion have ranged from $650 to well over a thousand.

Any input from you guys?

Thanks.

Probably not what you want to hear, but regular COB Supra's can go for that range. :(

Based on the picture you posted, it looks like the drum does have some scuff marks. Since the shell was lacquered bass, I'm not sure how you would clean/brighten up this drum. Maybe the lacquer is completely gone, so normal techniques would be used.

I would be straight up with sell/friend and discuss all/any of the issues and come to an agreed price. I'm guessing somewhere in the middle ($800-ish), if that's what you both can agree on.

One thing's for sure, it's a rare bird. I hope you can get it.

-Tim