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NO, They`re his legally. The statue of limitations has long expired and possession in the law for them now. He has nothing to fear should anyone claim them or bring up charges, they belong to him or her !! Same would apply to any other stolen vintage drums bought after the limmitation law expires. They bad karma is he knows the story behind them and knows that should they get stolen from him, he has no way to prove ownership.

He`s not guilty of stealing them or buying them. Like I already posted to him, they`re awsome drums and look well taken care of. They just don`t have an honest history to them !! None of wich is his fault.

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Posted on 13 years ago
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I don't think 510 knows what the statute of limitations is.

It simply means that when you commit a crime,the state or federal government,must arrest you and bring you to trial for your specific crime,within a certain amount of time.Usually in larceny/burglary cases its around 10 years,depending on the dollar amount and time of day,and if a firearm was used,as an example.

All crimes except Homicide and I believe treason and certain war crimes have a statute of limitations.

And as an aside,I do believe there is a difference in possessing stolen property,knowingly and unknowingly.The real test of character is what you do with that information,once you know its true.

Sorry but I have to edit this post in the interest of fairness and accuracy .After I last posted,something wasn't sitting quite right about the information here.I remembered something in my police academy training about criminal possession of stolen property and how the statute of limitations applies to it.Just to be sure I called my beautiful and talented daughter who just happens to be a criminal defence attorney.

If you possess stolen property even after the statute of limitations has run out for say burglary...you can still be arrested for possession of stolen property.The argument is that it a continuing crime.

So in possessing stolen property..you are STILL COMMITTING a CRIME,and the statute of limitations clock only starts after your arrested,for criminal possession of stolen property.

Be clear,you are NOT protected by the Statute of limitations on criminal possession

In New York state the statute of limitations is 5 years,I thought it was 10, its 5 except for Homicide.

Steve B

Posted on 13 years ago
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From tamadrm

I don't think 510 knows what the statute of limitations is.It simply means that when you commit a crime,the state or federal government,must arrest you and bring you to trial for your specific crime,within a certain amount of time.Usually in larceny/burglary cases its around 10 years,depending on the dollar amount and time of day,and if a firearm was used,as an example.All crimes except Homicide and I believe treason and certain war crimes have a statute of limitations.And as an aside,I do believe there is a difference in possessing stolen property,knowingly and unknowingly.The real test of character is what you do with that information,once you know its true.Sorry but I have to edit this post in the interest of fairness and accuracy .After I last posted,something wasn't sitting quite right about the information here.I remembered something in my police academy training about criminal possession of stolen property and how the statute of limitations applies to it.Just to be sure I called my beautiful and talented daughter who just happens to be a criminal defence attorney.If you possess stolen property even after the statute of limitations has run out for say burglary...you can still be arrested for possession of stolen property.The argument is that it a continuing crime.So in possessing stolen property..you are STILL COMMITTING a CRIME,and the statute of limitations clock only starts after your arrested,for criminal possession of stolen property.Be clear,you are NOT protected by the Statute of limitations on criminal possessionIn New York state the statute of limitations is 5 years,I thought it was 10, its 5 except for Homicide. Steve B

Thank you for your fairness! Yes I know what these statutes do and they change from state to state. Also, should someone recognize their drums and the story and so forth and show proof, civil cases can cause alot of problems for the possessor of the stolen items, win or lose$$$

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Posted on 13 years ago
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let me just clear up all the non-sense......Everyones opinion is valued....however....i personally did not purchase these knowing they were stolen and neither did my father. He paid a pretty hefty price when he bought these only to find out they were stolen after he set them up and tried to contact the guy about one of the lugs missing off the floor tom. The guy he bought them off of was MIA and his sister ( who was an acquintance of my dad) informed my dad that the kid was selling stolen goods and got caught.....He was not happy to find out they were sold to him illegally. He then removed the badges so he would not get in trouble if anythingever got traced to him ( just covering his own ass)...... What was he going to do? return them to the kid when he just got arrested.... instead he put them in a closet for 25 years and used other drum kits......I kinda just took them out and started playing them cause i got sick of my gretsch kit.......i didnt feel the need to type out the whole novel story earlier cause i just wanted to get to the point......but since there is so much bickering and arguing i just wanted to clear up that no body knowingly purchased a stolen drum kit......

Posted on 13 years ago
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Hate to say it Parry- but your sin is full disclosure...

But the badges missing is a HUGE factor as far as vintage sales go; after all, it implies that the origin of the drums could possibly be what they really are...

Not trying to bust your chops- just saying how it is...

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Posted on 13 years ago
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You are caught between the rock and the hard place. A classic no win situation. Should you have posted the history? You probably have lots of new stuff to think about since you did post it. They are nice drums. Untouchables.

Player54
Posted on 13 years ago
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From Player52

You are caught between the rock and the hard place. A classic no win situation. Should you have posted the history? You probably have lots of new stuff to think about since you did post it. They are nice drums. Untouchables.

Ding! Ding! Ding!!!

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

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Posted on 13 years ago
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Hey man, I didn't mean to start any trouble, ya'll can do whatever you want, but for me, I don't buy stolen goods, period.

Posted on 13 years ago
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And I might add you will never get $1300 for those!

Posted on 13 years ago
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You have, in the eyes of the law, NO statute of limitation. You are knowingly harboring stolen goods, and in every state in the USA, that constitutes no less than a misdemeanor, and in most a felony. Many states do not distinguish because the value is greater than $500.00, and has been since they went missing.

You, sir, are a felon, according to most states' laws. Knowingly concealing the origin, regardless of it's age, is in most states still a felony level crime. You should contact your states' Attorney Generals' office to get a real understanding of the law. Go to a hotel or some other public place that offers a phone and call, anonymously, and get the real scoop, but in most states, the statutes of limitations don't begin until the crime is recognized to have been reported and serialized.

Removing the badges further accentuates the buyers' guilt in complicity. Just because he recognized the fact they were stolen and he did so makes him complicit in most states. You should surrender them to the authorities in whatever state and allow them to pursue the case. Even if the guy is not well, it matters not, these are doomed to be a sickness to others and you are complicit, knowing what you know, you could be charged as an accomplice after all these years, even though you had no hand in the original crime, just because you are concealing the facts of a Federal crime. How do you like that for bad mojo, ugly juju, mean huhu...whatever.

I know this is hard for you to swallow, "Why should I be the one to lose out" after all these years, but in the eyes of the law, since you know the truth, and the case has never been brought to light, in the courts' view, the statute begins at the time they become aware of the crime, not just the time it occurred. You have some very serious legal issues before you and least of them is complicity to a felony, since train robberies are considered Federal crimes and therefore always felonious.

You should contact a really good attorney and ask, discreetly, what to do about this. Be 100% truthful, if not, you will not get good legal advice. If you truly desire to get to the bottom of this crime and you honestly seek the truth after all these years, you will need to be honest about the whole situation. For all you know, the Feds could still be building this case and you could be the missing link to a huge case. On the other hand, it could be a dead case and you might be in the clear, but I would not take that chance.

We are not being "Holier Than Thou". we are merely stating our positions on stolen goods, the bad vibes they bring to the table when knowingly presented, and the reality of law.

You have been given a pass from us, we judge you not, to this point. It is what you do from this point forward that will tell of your true character. Be a law abiding citizen or an accomplice....the choice is yours, the balls in your court...etc., etc.

If you choose to do the right thing and report this, one of two things will happen: you could be required to surrender the drums or you could be told the crime is past and not to worry. But until you clear this up, those are worthless drums, and carry bad vibes, period.

I have studied law in many states and you are in the drivers' seat, but getting a free pass from those of us that are law abiding citizens, for the most part, is not going to happen.

As my friend Drumhack has pointed out, many of us may well have had "hot gear" pass through our hands. It is what we do with that gear, if we know it is hot, that tells of our true character. Knowingly receiving stolen goods is a crime, in every state.

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Posted on 13 years ago
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