+ 1. On the best BB records (Pet Sounds, Smiley Smile, etc, Brian Wilson's master pieces) the band playing is supposedly the wrecking crew, not the BB members. So Hal Blaine would be the drummer that is doing the most interesting BB drumming, not Dennis Wilson.

/Magnus

Steve Duncan, Desert Rose Band, 1990.

Then Ringo, etc.

dennis played on every album from the beginning (surfin safari) thru summer days rt b4 pet sounds, he also played on wild honey, and 15 big ones in 76. Hal blaine played on the early records starting in late 63 on certain songs, but dennis played as well. There was NOTHING ringo did that was anything beyond average rock/pop drumming... dennis was a way more passionate hitter with a solid backbeat!

I detest the Beatles. This is established. However, and I read this on here, as I have never researched a single thing about the original boy band......, Ringo's answer to any question that eluded to his mediocrity was "I was THE drummer for the Beatles."

I liken Ringo to Phil Ruud of AC/DC. Neither one is EVER brought up in the conversations of Bonham, NP, Buddy, name your pick for best drummer of the universe, both are usually made fun of for lack of prowess on their instruments, buuuuuuuuuuuut both of them banged out the beats for bands that have sold a crap load of records, and both have made boatloads of money by doing so. Something to be said for that I suppose, eh?Hmmmm

Well, let's not start an argument here, but surely Ringo's drumming on Abbey Road and other late Beatles' records is a good measure beyond average rock/pop drumming, especially of that date.

Also, I don't really think it could be denied that Ringo is a solid backbeat keeper.

Personally, I love and admire the great albums of the Beach Boys, i.e. Pet Sounds, (Smiley) Smile, Surf's Up etc. I am passionate about Brian Wilson's Smile album. The Beatles', on the other hand, leaves me rather cold, although, of course, I won't deny that I listen to some of their tunes from time to time.

However, Dennis Wilson as a drummer means nothing to me. I see his drumming as generic. (And I am not a Dennis Wilson-a-phobe, I have Pacific Ocean Blue on original LP for instance.) Ringo Starr, on the other hand, regardless of technical proficiency, was in many ways an inventor in pop and rock drumming. He did have a sound that was uniquely his own, reverberating into the 1980s in altogether different contexts, like Public Image Ltd.

In a classical drumming battle, Dennis Wilson would perhaps have spanked Ringo Starr. But like this poll shows, 21 of 23 drummers on this site consider Ringo an inspiration, whereas Dennis is mentioned only by 2. This is not coincidental.

The stiff, orchestral/symphonic drumming on Pet Sounds and Smiley Smile is more reminiscent of Ringo than Dennis, by the way.

/Magnus

23 drummers on this forum have voted,, Ringo just as I knew is the influence to most of us.

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(Whats the point in diessecting and misconstruing every synopsis I make, were all drummers here, were on the same team; I dont undermine anyone I jus try to get input and information, that doesnt make me a "troll" or "phisher" as I saw previously mentioned.)

When someone disagrees with you

Just remember , is that we are all drummers ??. !!!

The point is Dennis Wilson is a big deal to you but not as much to most of us we all lived through this time we experienced how this all played out in real time. You need to listen to as much muosc as you can experience other fourms of music, you'll be suprised at what is out here to listen to.

So basically what we are seeing is that statistically, half the people that claim Dennis Wilson as a principal influence are Kook?

I agree the Beatles are the result of the best marketing minds of the day earning their money. However, I have to disagree and say that record sales do sort of dictate the winners and losers as far as the theme of this thread, which was influence. Doesn't more records being sold mean more people are listening to their music, therefore being influenced? It is logical, no? This is all pre-internet, of course, when people actually had to pay for music.....lol. With all the cyber toys now, record sales do not equate to success anymore, IMO, and the worst thing is we are such a fickle society anymore, who loves the next best thing, I wonder if we will ever see bands like Rush, Iron Maiden, and the others that have been playing the same genre and style of music, for thirty or forty years? The really interesting thing will be which two drummers someone lists on this very question thirty years from now as there may not be such clear cut choices.........

its been often stated that there were TWO phases of the beatles/ the first of 62-66 when they were an actual band, in aug of 66 they released Revolver and then ceased performing live, that was the end of the beatles as a BAND. The second phase of 66-69 was the beatles as a studio group, during that time they were playing on their records- the last three albums sgt pepper, white album and abbey rd... after pet sounds the beach boys had a six yr span of great albums- smiley smile, wild honey, sunflower...surfs up and holland ALL phenomenal albums/ and their pre-pet sounds albums- summer days, today, all summer long, surfer girl etc were all landmarks as well... the beach boys in the late 70s onward had a very hit&miss output but EVERY great band gets stale, fact of the matter is that dennis was a GREAT drummer thru&thru... and his death was one of the biggest losses the world of pop culture ever had, as well as carl- RIP

It had to be this kid named Dennis I grew up with. No, not Wilson. I do remember a Ringo Ludwig 4 piece. I have no idea where he is today.