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John, I'd think that just like a stave, you can leave it thicker and have a deep resonate tone. For the same reason Sonor and DW and some older MIJ shells have the inner plies with vertical grain.

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Posted on 12 years ago
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From latzanimal

John, I'd think that just like a stave, you can leave it thicker and have a deep resonate tone. For the same reason Sonor and DW and some older MIJ shells have the inner plies with vertical grain.

Gotcha. I've never played a stave drum. Do you have one? What kind of edges do they use on those? Do you know? Round-overs? Makes sense to have better head to shell contact on a thicker shell by using a round-over.

Inquiring minds want to know...

John

Too many great drums to list here!

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Posted on 12 years ago
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I do not have one. However, I have seen all kinds of edges on stave snares/toms. It goes back to what kind of sound you want to hear. I'll have a stave eventually. Either make it myself or trade for one. If I could just find some time, I have a ton of projects to get done....

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Posted on 12 years ago
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> If I could just find some time, I have a ton of projects to get done....

Welcome to my world! Jumping2

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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At the Heartwood site they mentioned that they had provided DW with some shells for them to experiment with. Looky what I found... a sound file for one of the Heartwood snares!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnPv3WSJKjs[/ame]

I love it! Nasty sounding snare drum. Great over-tones on the rims, lots of bite and the rim shots and stick clicks are sublime. Excellent sounding snare drum although I prefer it at the higher tunings. I thought it sounded a little sloppy in the low tuning range albeit a great sounding drum over-all.

What do you think?

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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I like it better in the higher range as well. Pretty complicated sounding drum. I like it.

tnsquint
Very proud owner of a new Blaemire Snare 6.5 x 14 made by Jerry Jenkins "Drumjinx"
Posted on 12 years ago
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> Pretty complicated sounding drum.

Yep, I agree. When the guy plays out on the rims, it sings. Pretty responsive too, the buzz rolls and presses he plays during the groove are testimony to that. I like it. It kinda reminds me of my Oaklawn Camco snare, same colors in the sound. Great warm, woody, beefy tone. The guy in the video has a 'great touch' on the drums, he didn't have to lay into it to pull the sounds out of it. Excellent drummer, great dynamics and good control.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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From Ludwig-dude

Which leads me back to my original post on this......drums have a tuning range that they like to be in, the player is the one with the tuning ability. The greatest sounding drums in the world will never reach their full potential if the player has no clue about how to tune, set up, and play his instrument properly. I still say drum sound is 95% player, 5% shell makeup, bearing edge, head choice and particular tuning, and that this argument about bearing edges, shell makeup, brand, etc is moot. Does anybody really think that when our vintage drums weren't vintage, that players took this into consideration then? I think not. They chose what looked good, or what their favorite drummer was playing at the time, or what they could get a good deal on.

Unfortunately that is precisely why most of our American Drum Companies went out of business. They couldn't compete with the Sono Tubes made with go fish wood and pretty finishes and the majority bought exactly what you just described. Quality always stands the test of time, and once again it all boils down to personal preference/taste, or the lack of...And yes I think there were a lot of drummers that took the quality of build and the sound they produced into consideration.

Posted on 12 years ago
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> ...And yes I think there were a lot of drummers that took the quality of build and the sound they produced into consideration.

One of the few things I have always been geeky about is drums. From the first kit I owned I was always taking my drums apart to make my own repairs, to see 'how they were built' and 'what was used to make them'. I have, as far back as I can recall, cared about quality and build. Remember that $250.00 back in the 60's was the equivalent of $1000. today. Big ticket purchases (which is what a new drum kit was/is,) got as much consideration way back when, as it does today. LD was making it sound as if caring about quality and build is a new/modern concept. And I completely disagree that "95%" of a drum's sound is due to the player. The point has already been addressed in an earlier post and stated much better than I could have done. Rather than repeat it here, I'll allow it to speak for me and have it stand as my response as well.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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From Purdie Shuffle

I know that choosing drums to play (that sound a certain way) has a lot to do with your style and the kind of music you're playing. A guy who plays a lot of rock or blues gigs/bands is not going to choose the same drums, or the same sounding set-up, as a guy doing a bunch of small room jazz gigs, or playing with small combo's. I find myself in the enviable position of being able to compare three Classic drum sets side by side. Each one has a sound and character all its own. I don't think that any one is 'better' than any other. Though I do have a distinct preference among them.Question:1. What type of 'sound' are you getting from your vintage kit that you can't get from modern drums?2. What's your 'favorite sounding' vintage kit and why is it your favorite?As for me, I currently have an Oaklawn Camco outfit, a pre-serial Ludwig Hollywood kit and a late 50's Gretsch (round badge) Bop Kit with the 20" bass drum. The one sonic feature they all share in common is warmth of sound. They are all very resonant, with the Camco's and the Gretsch kits being the more 'musical sounding' of the three kits. But the Luddies have a fat bottom end that makes up for what it lacks in terms of being a 'melodious' set of drums. In terms of overall sound, ie; responsiveness, resonance, attack, warmth, depth, projection and tone, the Oaklawn Camcos sit comfortably in first place.I have tried out (during music store, or drum convention, visits) some custom made and a few 'modern' drum sets. As good as some of them can sound, none of them have the same warm and FAT sound that I can get from my vintage kits. I'll take a 60 year-old set of drums any day over anything made recently. Just my ears I guess and what I'm used to, or look for, in a set of drums.What say you?John

I only have one kit and have had it since '78. A mid-70's, Gretsch SSB#1, walnut kit (24, 13, 16, 18 with matching 5 x14 snare and optional natural maple 6x14 snare). I have made this kit work pleasantly with my prog, swing, blues, jazz and rock projects. With the appropriate skins and playing dynamics , I acheive what's necessary for the genre.

Must be nice to have specific kits for specific projects.

B

Vintage Drum Fan (Not a Guru)
Posted on 12 years ago
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