Shoot,I put a nice Jazzette on eBay 8-10 years ago,it only went for $800-900 I recall.........
Cleaned it top to bottom too............
Wanna say it was a Walnut outer..............no extra holes
I'll check my eBay FB,and it should have a date when the guy left FB for me........
[img]http://black.net.nz/drums/jazetsid.JPG[/img]
My 1969 Jazzette purchased $1510 (shipped) 17-feb-04
and 1963 Jazz Festival Snare separate purchase $300 (shipped) 23-Nov-02
No 22's...but a couple 18 X 14's -which is essentially the same effect as a 22 when it comes to the Jazzette moniker.
Consider the possibility that there are other people who do know what they are talking about and enjoy the productive exchange of information and ideas. You just don't seem to agree that it is as important to properly record things which are incorrect as those which are correct in order to establish what is going on. That's fine. I've given you my data free so you can benefit. What you do with it is up to you. I thought it illustrated the point of how many "false" Jazzette claims there are out there. With evidence not magic.
I'll leave it to other readers to judge your dismissive criticism and suggestion that I would ever take an "average" (bleeech) of inappropriate data. Never said it. Never would do it. Feh.
And back to my unanswered question (and the important stuff :D) do you agree that the non matching snare with that most recent Jazzette looks more like a 3x13 than a 4x14? I was going on just one photo which showed it where you could compare it to the 14" tom. I'd value your eyes and comment as well.
And do you always automatically dismiss as a "true" Jazzette, a 12/14/12x18 which is from the 6 ply period? I'd count them as "real", and note they were 6 ply (which generally are less favored across the whole Ludwig range than the 3 plys). Any comments on that?
Shoot,I put a nice Jazzette on eBay 8-10 years ago,it only went for $800-900 I recall.........Cleaned it top to bottom too............Wanna say it was a Walnut outer..............no extra holesI'll check my eBay FB,and it should have a date when the guy left FB for me........
Gee, you should have kept it for me! I actually prefer the wood finish to the wrapped.
The link didn't work for me so I can't look at the snare drum to determine that information. But, as I recall, it was a B/O badge on a wood shell that had a finish that looked very suspicious to me -as in refinished. The wood grain did NOT look like mahogany. I don't ever remember seeing ANY B/O badged wood shell Jazz Combos. And I also can't recall when wood Downbeat snare drums were discontinued...but I think it was before the B/O badge era. So, yeah, that drum is wrong.
As far as including "false" Jazzette information goes....yeah that fattens up the chapter quite a bit because there are TONS of falsely-claimed Jazzettes out there -waaaAAAAAAAaaaayyyy more than what is actually in existence. To me, it adds too much static to include all that "false" information. It's like including false notes in a melody.
Someone out there has information that shows just how many Jazzettes and other model kits were sold by the Ludwig company in a given year. I can almost guarantee you (I'd bet on it) that that number is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than what is out claimed to be Jazzette KITs. Having said that, there are individual 18 X 12 bass drums that could conceivably make a Jazzette kit, but I don't consider just the component parts that could be used to potentially make a Jazzette kit when averaging out the number of actual kits.
So what does all that have to do with anything? Well, it shows that valuation depends on one's understanding of terms. Terms are very important in this regard.
[img]http://black.net.nz/drums/jazetsid.JPG[/img]My 1969 Jazzette purchased $1510 (shipped) 17-feb-04and 1963 Jazz Festival Snare separate purchase $300 (shipped) 23-Nov-02Consider the possibility that there are other people who do know what they are talking about and enjoy the productive exchange of information and ideas. You just don't seem to agree that it is as important to properly record things which are incorrect as those which are correct in order to establish what is going on. That's fine. I've given you my data free so you can benefit. What you do with it is up to you. I thought it illustrated the point of how many "false" Jazzette claims there are out there. With evidence not magic. I'll leave it to other readers to judge your dismissive criticism and suggestion that I would ever take an "average" (bleeech) of inappropriate data. Never said it. Never would do it. Feh.
That's a good-looking Jazzette you have there from what I can see! Any issues with it?
Shoot,I put a nice Jazzette on eBay 8-10 years ago,it only went for $800-900 I recall.........Cleaned it top to bottom too............Wanna say it was a Walnut outer..............no extra holesI'll check my eBay FB,and it should have a date when the guy left FB for me........
Where were you when I was looking for one 8-10 years ago??? ;)
That's a good-looking Jazzette you have there from what I can see! Any issues with it?
Factory original on everything, close serial numbers. One oddity: the insides of the drums are painted white which isn't how they usually are by 1969. The paint appears original but I'm a PhD in applied statistics not chemistry or forensic science so what do I know?
Oops. Here are the photos:
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[img]http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27632&d=1302148626[/img]
[img]http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27633&d=1302148651[/img]
[img]http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27634&d=1302148700[/img]
eBay is making it harder and harder to do simple things. Mumble. I'll grab the photos and stash them for later analysis so we won't suffer "evaporating link" or "admin's ire". *** edit: completed ***
Someone out there has information that shows just how many Jazzettes and other model kits were sold by the Ludwig company in a given year. I can almost guarantee you (I'd bet on it) that that number is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than what is out claimed to be Jazzette KITs.
Mark Twain said that about pieces of the original Cross displayed in churches...
So what does all that have to do with anything? Well, it shows that valuation depends on one's understanding of terms. Terms are very important in this regard.
Defining terms is fundamental in statistical research so I'm with you there.
"And do you always automatically dismiss as a "true" Jazzette, a 12/14/12x18 which is from the 6 ply period? I'd count them as "real", and note they were 6 ply (which generally are less favored across the whole Ludwig range than the 3 plys). Any comments on that?"
Yes and No. If it is a Jazzette from the 6-ply era, then absolutely it's a true Jazzette. However, one cannot consider the 6-ply era Jazzettes in the same calculations as the 3-ply Jazzettes. You have to separate those kinds of major construction differences in the same way that you would have to differentiate a Vistalite Super Classic kit from a wood Super Classic kit.
"And do you always automatically dismiss as a "true" Jazzette, a 12/14/12x18 which is from the 6 ply period? I'd count them as "real", and note they were 6 ply (which generally are less favored across the whole Ludwig range than the 3 plys). Any comments on that?"Yes and No. If it is a Jazzette from the 6-ply era, then absolutely it's a true Jazzette. However, one cannot consider the 6-ply era Jazzettes in the same calculations as the 3-ply Jazzettes. You have to separate those kinds of major construction differences in the same way that you would have to differentiate a Vistalite Super Classic kit from a wood Super Classic kit.
Yes, I've always treated 3 plys and 6 plys as two separate categories in any thinking about prices. For me they are both nice, but different beasts. And from what I've seen the 3 ply kits get a price premium over the 6 plys. But then I have to think that. I sold a nice 6 ply kit to buy my 3 plys. ;)
