Slightly off topic, but...

I think it would super cool to have a Jazette sized kit in 3 ply birch shells

like a Premier. electricit

After playing my Olympic birch 3 ply kit these last 6 months, I just can't

get away from them, so much livlier than the 3 ply WFL I have and not

as loud and dull as my birch Tama kits...

That WMP wrap Luddy looks mighty sweet though! :)

Prices do seem to be coming down still guys, just checking some

recent Downbeat and Clubdate completeds and didn't see anything

over a grand, seems to be a buyers market yet. I can understand

if some of you guys bought high a few years ago and are upset

right now trying to shed your stuff for more margin... The thing

that gets me going is when guys get a killer CL deal or something

and really just try to gouge the next guy with some super mega

margin, like a used car salesman or something. I've gotten 2 super

steal deal CL deals and kept the entire lot of one and kept most

of the second lot, only parted out things from the second deal

that I just didn't need, so I passed it on using ebay using NR

auction, just let the market decide for me as I wasn't out to gouge

anyone. Maybe I'm just being naive myself thinking that

vintage drum stuff should be available for more guys to enjoy

with more moderately priced drums to choose from.

Thank god for the vintage MIJ stuff at least, decent stuff that

is affordable for guys wanting to get into vintage...

Premier DID make a "Jazzette- sized" kit. It's called "model C58" and they are beautiful little kits. I can tell you a story about the one that got away regarding those.

[IMG]http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/premier_drumsets/1965-premier-catalog-3.jpg[/IMG]

I respectfully disagree about making as large a profit on a resale as possible. That's the name of the game most of the time. I don't like the word "gouge" because it's too aggressive. I'd rather like to think that nobody buys what they can't afford if they are responsible. If they buy something for a lot of money when they couldn't afford it, then that's a whole other life-lesson to talk about on another forum. I assume for the sake of this discussion that people are responsible.

Vintage drums ARE available to lots of people. But certain collectible kits at the high end are very very rarely appearing anywhere now. They used to be everywhere ten years ago. And thirty years ago, you could hardly GIVE vintage kits away because nobody wanted them. Now, the times have changed and everyone wants them it seems. That's how collecting got started.

Yeah, MIJ stuff is sometimes very cool stuff. Lot's of angles to collecting...lots :Santa:

"Oops. Fixed the link in the original post and here it is again"

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=220760231757

I dunno...it looks to me like a Downbeat size. I'm kinda scratching my head about this one, though. It's a mahogany-FINISH over what appears to be a maple veneer. The interior is clear maple -which is the perplexing part. I don't know when they discontinued the Downbeat snare drum, but I always thought it was in 1966, prior to the clear maple interior era -which started in the late 60's. I suppose it could be a legit late 60's 3-ply maple/poplar/maple shell stained with mahogany finish because he interior looks original. I'd like to see a LOT more pictures before giving y final judgement of it. The badge looks good on it, too. Wow....????I don't know if the mystery will ever be solved or if we will ever see that kit again.

Okay...even though we're off on a tangent, that's okay....tangents happen!

I checked the Vintage Drum Guide and sure enough, both Downbeat and Jazz Combo SNARE drums were available up to the 1971-1 catalog. After that, I only see metal shell "piccolo" snare drums.

With that information in mind, it's possible the snare drum IS legit. That's what the factory would have had to do with a maple/poplar/maple late 60's era wood shell to get it to look like mahogany. In fact, maybe they ALL were an outer veneer of maple that got stained to look like mahogany -? I honestly don't know. But, now the link has stopped working for me again and I can't double check the size against the catalog pictures to compare it with...but if you can see it, then you can check to see if there is a blank panel between the throwoff and the badge -that would indicate a Downbeat. A throwoff with the next panel having a badge, would indicate a Jazz Combo.

In any case, the Downbeat snare drum was not a listed option for Jazzette kits.

Okay...link worked. It's a Downbeat snare drum

And just FYI to correct my earlier mistake...It was the Downbeat drum KIT WITH the Downbeat snare drum that was discontinued as a duo by 1966. Individually, they both continued on in their separate ways until the wood shell Downbeat snare was dropped after the 1971-1 catalog.

@ OLugs - WOW!!

That would be awesome in the aquamarine wrap. electricit

I bet that would be a rare find, I do Premier searches on ebay

almost daily and never see these sizes, and if I did it would

probably would be located in UK...

I finally saw the girl in that ad btw, she's hiding behind the kit. lol

I hear ya about pricing and making a good profit, I'm not against that. It's

whatever the market garners. And if some guys are ONLY buying and

reselling drum stuff to earn a living then I would expect them to

get as much as they can, I'm just mainly on a small rant about

slimey CL dudes and slimey resale stores... :)

Hello all...WOW...what a thread, very interesting. Six years ago I bought a 1965 Clubdate for a grand(minus the snare) drums were extremely clean, all origanal and very close serial #'s, sky blue pearl. I mean, you could just tell that no one had messed with them, ever! I thought it was a good deal, didn't think much about it. I agree with O-lugs, however I agree with Zenstat in some of his opinions. I'm not a Clubdate nut, but I thought it was a good deal. Now, present day, I couldn't get anywhere near that for this set, I don't feel. However, I'm kind of going by ebay. These things go for little bit of nothing, then every once in awhile, I'll see a Clubdate ft for 475 to 550 bucks BIN. I think, WHOA, whats going on here. Like the jazzettes, the clubdates are put together, beat up, orphaned, modified, whatever. So, mine are in my room, covered up, and still all origanal. Might add, very beautiful. So now, my passion is getting orpan shells, putting life back in them to era and having players kits, really of no great value. I have other sets, this was just a good example of my confusion. I see what your saying O-lugs....Joe

Hi O-lugs.. You seem to want to dismiss any info that doesn't cite a 100% original Jazzette, which is just as incorrect as including all info out there that calls a set a Jazzette. BTW. I'm aware. That a jazzette doesn't include a set that has a 22" bass drum! That's funny. But hey, you're totally welcome to diss any post I have based on what? That I didn't pass a basic skills test on vintage drums 101? Or that I haven't poured over old Ludwig catalogs and have a photographic memory of them like yourself? OK.. I'm just saying it might help for you to have a slightly higher degree of respect for people who post on this forum. It goes both ways.

this link is to a thread that pretty much hashed out every single point that could possibly be made about the Jazette kit, and then some. At least 97 posts worth counting the final post where it got locked up!!

My only question is how does anyone know that most of the nicest stuff has been found and is already in someone's collection? One would have to know where ALL the nice stuff is/was to know that most of it has been spoken for I would think......

[COLOR="Red"]"Even Ebay prices don't always reflect the market anymore. Policies at Ebay have changed and many sellers have cut back from selling their stuff there. And the other thing that goes along with that is that most of the nicest stuff has been found and already is in someone's collection. In turn, what is available anymore are "dregs' and reflect accordingly-lower prices."[/COLOR]

toodles

drumhack :Snow Flake:KleeningJump For JoyCooked EggWalking

(1.) What? The ENTIRE point is to be specific about the definition of terms. We are talking about a drum KIT -a complete configuration -not the haphazard use of a name -the way that list delineates. I made an obviously-sarcastic example (22" bass drum) just to stress the fact that the false-application of the Jazzette title is ridiculously out of hand. That's exactly why it's important to define the terms.

(2.) I responded accordingly to both your indirect and direct remarks to me. (see quote below)

(3.) You're right. It goes both ways.

And I marveled at your comments more than any of the prior posts, too. DOH